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PH-Malaysia war exercise fosters ties

CITY OF SAN FERNANDO, Philippines—The Philippine and Malaysian armies concluded a two-week battle simulation exercise at Camp O’Donnell in Capas, Tarlac, on Sunday.

Gathered at the Armed Forces of the Philippines Peacekeeping Operations Center at the camp, Lt. Gen. Noel Coballes and Gen. Datuk Raja Mohamed Affandi Bin Raja Mohamed Noor declared Land MALPHI 14-2013 closed, citing “stronger ties” as a result of the bilateral exercise.

“The overarching goal of Land MALPHI Exercise is to provide the venue where both the armies of the Philippines and Malaysia can work and operate together in a simulated conventional environment to address the various defense and security challenges confronting our respective countries,” Coballes, the Philippine Army chief, said in a statement.

At least 70 Filipino and 40 Malaysian officers took part in the command post and battle simulation exercise.

The exercise, the statement said, adopted a “conventional operational setting that is centered on the Malaysian forces coming in aid of the Philippine forces to defend the latter’s territory from a national invading force.”

Col. Wilson Marie Reyes, the exercise director, said the objectives were met.—Tonette Orejas, Inquirer Central Luzon


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  • Datuitum

    If any of you saw TV news footage of Zamboanga fighting, you just feel pity and aghast at the same time on how our AFP conduct military warfare discipline. Some were just almost comic scenes,– like one soldier who were firing his rifle at the enemy, he just closes his eyes every time he pulled the trigger as if he never fired a gun before. Way too many soldier taking cover behind a SAMBA that its almost impossible for them to shoot their weapons while the SAMBA driver afraid being hit ,he’s driving it wildly that almost run over those soldiers taking cover next to it. AFP must conduct serious training and observe military discipline or else our AFP will never gain respect from both allies and non-allies..

    • PinoyMundo Biz

      @Datuitum:disqus , those APC’s serve as shields for soldiers to cross the firing line. Natural lang na mapapikit ang mata when firing automatic rifles. You don’t know what our soldiers are capable of.

  • artz555

    1. ) This maybe a good development for some, but to others, PH may just be careful of it’s national interests. Although a combined defense between PH and Malaysia maybe good against forces external to both countries, like China, the defense of each others interests should be just as important.

    2. ) Firstly, PH should not abandon it’s claim on Sabah and pursue the matter peacefully with Malaysia. PH be just be careful with the old rumor that Malaysia is assisting some rebel forces in Mindanao to help Malaysia’s interests in Sabah and other business interests in PH, and also be careful at Malaysia’s influence, if not close ties with some PH political elite.

    3. ) The only way that mistrusts maybe erased in regards to Malaysia, is for Malaysia to address the issue of Sabah and resolve it peacefully. If a solid agreement is not possible now, a sharing of the resources of Sabah with a small percentage like a quarter to a third going to PH, maybe agreed upon, while the official talks and agreement is still pending. Otherwise, PH has to be careful with it’s neighbors when it comes to national interests.

    • ManilaMan

      1. Sabah was not part of the 1898 Treaty of Paris when Spain relinquished control of the PH to the US.
      2. Sabah was neither included in the 1930 treaty between the US and the UK that defined the Philippines-North Borneo border.
      3. This claim to Sabah only comes from the Sulu Sultanate.
      4. Sulu has joined Misuari and MNLF in declaring its independent Bangsamoto Republik last 12 Aug 2013 in Talipao, Sulu.
      5. This independent state covers the whole Mindanao, Palawan and Sabah.
      6. This independent state was born out of Sulu’s disappointment over the Philippines’ neglect of the Sulu Royal Army in their attempt to invade Sabah.
      7. The Philippines was fooled to believe Sabah was Philippine territory. If Sulu can’t annex it with the help of the PHL, they will do it themselves which is what this declaration of independence from the PHL aims at getting.
      8. Bangsamoro war on independence continues, if they can’t get Sabah now, there is Mindanao and Palawan to satisfy their long wish of an independent muslim state.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        Malaysian troll

      • ManilaMan

        Lol. Ayaw nyo kaseng imulat mga mata nyo.
        Niloloko lang kayo ng Sultanato sa pagaakalang sa Pilipinas ang Sabah. Mas madali nga naman makuha kung isa lang ang kalaban. Sa tingin mo matatapos ang labanan para sa kalayaan ng Bangsamoro? Bantayan ang Mindanao at Palawan laban sa mga traydor na mga to.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        You should find out why the Sulu archipelago and parts of the Zamboanga peninsula and Palawan became part of the Philippines only in the late 1870s-1915 and why the rebels want to be independent and to take their territories back.

      • sabahan

        ouch.i think u find it really hard to digest facts that dont support your beliefs. Why dont u write a diary instead, fill it with your ideas on things u believe, and read it again and again. Stop reading puclic forum altogether. That way u wouldnt have to encounter others people’s opinion, as u may come across facts that shatter your beliefs.

  • ConcernedCitizenPh

    Quite strange that the Philippines has this military ground exercises with a country that almost do not complain at all against China’s activities in the West Philippine Sea.

    • ManilaMan

      Neither are Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and Cambodia complaining. But thats because they have zero to minimal claims. Does that mean we shouldn’t ally with Singapore, another major US partner but with close economic and cultural ties to China? We should stop this isolation and making enemies at one point right? It’s bad enough we have lost China, Taiwan and Hong Kong up north, what’s next after Malaysia? Brunei and Indonesia? Then congratulations you have successfully isolated the Philippines with enemies in all directions. Bravo!

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        To tell you the truth, after the revelation that Malaysia was behind the armed rebellion in Mindanao which up to now is not yet resolved and knowing what they did to weaken the country as their response to a claimed plot by Pres Marcos to send a very small contingent to invade the whole Sabah, the military ground exercise should not have happened. Naval exercises would haven been more appropriate and would not have raised suspicion.

      • ManilaMan

        You said it yourself, it was done as a reaction to the terrorist dictatorship of the Philippines in those years. Now that the Martial Law and Marcos are long gone, our relationship with Malaysia should have returned to normal. But why do filipinos who hated Marcos seem to carry this same sentiment of Marcos with regards to Sabah up to now? Unless you supported Marcos and his terrorist plot to invade Sabah, you should have condemned and totally forgotten about the issue by now just as you have condemned Marcos and moved on.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        Who would believe Marcos will plan an invasion with only a few military personnel? He may be a crook but he is smart and not dumb.

      • ManilaMan

        Are you saying Malaysia also staged a fake invasion scenario? Just so they can set up a rebel army to punish us for the supposed invasion plot which is really their own doing? That doesn’t make any sense! Lol

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        I don’t know what Malaysia had in mind. The fact is they committed wrongful acts to the Filipino people.

      • ManilaMan

        Marcos propaganda still winning the hearts and minds of Filipinos to this day, i see.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        Not Marcos propaganda. The posts of Malaysians in forums discussing the Sabah stand-off were most revealing.

      • MShaf

        You can shed more light to above question by asking counter questions: Why did Marcos slaughter that Moro soldiers in the Jabidah incidence? Is Jabidah incidence true?

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        Those people probably were supposed to carry out a similar mission locally. Maybe that mission was more scandalous than an invasion of Sabah

      • sabahan

        if u want to debate and seek the truth, u should approach it with an open mind thinking from both sides point of view. Otherwise its be a waste of time for people who were trying hard to explain their views.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        Some events may have happened but for a different reason than what was told to us. This seems to be the case here.

  • joboni96

    let’s proceed to a consensus on
    philippine – malaysia eez boundaries

    also with brunei
    minimal overlaps

  • hello stupids

    Oh yes they can start talking about the religious and the Sulu Archipelago

  • ManilaMan

    It’s good to see neighbors forming alliance against common enemies:
    1. Bangsamoro Republik that declared a separate state claiming territories of both countries: Mindanao and Palawan (PHL); Sabah and Sarawak (MAL)
    2. China and its claim to islands in PH and MY’s EEZ.

    • ConcernedCitizenPh

      It’s good to see that mnlf’s concern about Malaysia’s hidden interests is turning out to be true

      • ManilaMan

        You still fail to see the common enemy. The Philippines interest is keeping Mindanao and Palawan. Malaysia’s interest is keeping Sabah and Sarawak. From this Bangsamoro Republik that claims these territories of both countries. From an OIC member to an independent state August 12, 2013. Watch Zamboanga, Palawan and Mindanao. It’s not just Sabah you stand to lose (which wasnt yours in the first place) but all these southern islands as well for the revival of the Sulu Sultanate / Bangsamoro Republik.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        You have to dig deeper than that.

      • ManilaMan

        Haha edi mag-gamitan kayo ng Sulu at ng gobyerno. Basta ako hindi ako naniniwala sa Sultanato na pinasa umano ang claim ng Sabah sa gobyerno. Kaya pala hindi tinulungan ng gobyerno natin ang Royal Army nung tinangkang sakupin nila ang Sabah. Kase alam ng gobyerno na tutulungan nya lang ang isang Bangsa na mismong umaaklas at nagbubuo ng sariling gobyerno. At ang gobyernong Pilipinas ginagamit lang ang Sabah claim para makuha pa ang simpatiya ng natitirang moro supporters. Bangsamoro independence is inevitable.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        Naka-post pa nga sa website ng Malacanang ung cession ng rights to the Philippines to claim Sabah

      • ManilaMan

        At nakasaad din sa konstitusyon na ang Sulu, Tawi-Tawi, Basilan at buong Mindanao ay teritoryo ng Pilipinas.
        But there is the right to self-determination that can change all that when the Bangsamoro Republik gains recognition as an independent muslim state.

    • spiritnsoul700

      The problem is neither side trust each other Even among Asean members , and while all all these disputes on who owns the lands/EEZ, has distracted the main focus from the real enemy who is already poaching in front of your doorsteps,, There is no unity but mistrust and suspicion,among Asean. This could be perhaps the reason the US military presence is much needed here now that China is growing and has stepped in the shoving weak Asean aside to grab what they want

      Gone are the days where folks freely trade and share their catch from the sea among themselves on this side of the world Personally i too feel It is best for Indonesia broker the peace talk since there is too much of mistrust and suspicion with bad blood running between Filipinos and Malaysia. Indonesian are friendly people as well but they are fiercely nationalist and are more prone to resort to violence specially when touch on their sensitive issues such as nationality/race/religion/politics compared to Malaysians who are slightly more tolerance .

      A piece of advice for Filipinos, Don’t ever tried to burn their national flag even on your own soil, cos the next thing you read on the news is that the Philippines Embassy in Indonesia is under siege by hundreds of thousands if not millions angry Indonesians, and you can rest assured, that the embassy building/property damaged and might torched as well, Indonesian are nice and friendly people but never try to provoke them into anger,

      • ManilaMan

        The good thing about Indonesia is that we have gone past the dispute on Miangas Island (Palmas) and have totally forgotten about the issue. This Sabah claim is really what’s keeping the distrust between Malaysians and Filipinos. A ridiculous claim that has only archaic treaties of extinct tribal governments that have long been replaced as basis. If territories were claimed on pure historical basis, then we’d have all lost to China in the Spratlys. Whose history is claiming Sabah again? The same archaic government that is claiming the whole Mindanao and Palawan from the Philippines. Sorry, i cant stand this idiocy.

  • kismaytami

    AFP should be wary of malayshit soldiers gaining ground on Philippine soil. They sell arms to their terror pets in Mindanao. I don’t trust malayshits because like their british masters, they’re theives, they don’t want to face the truth of Sabah claim, while alienating thousands of Suluks from their homeland, aside from supporting, arming and training terrorists in Mindanao.

    • ManilaMan

      The Sabah claim originated from the Sulu Sultanate, which itself is preparing to join the international community of nations with their declaration of independence last August 12, 2013. Sabah wasn’t ours to begin with, it’s a moro land claimed by people who dont call themselves Filipinos but Moros from the Bangsamoro Republik.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        They have been calling themselves Filipinos but somehow actions and inactions of the Philippine government are pushing them to that bangsamoro republik.

      • ManilaMan

        It’s a hundred year old battle that started way before the establishment of the Philippine republic. If Bangsamoro Republik does not achieve it now, it will sooner or later. That’s just the way it works for nations within nations.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        You have to consider why they ceded those territories to the Philippines in the first place and what made them regret that decision. The answer to these questions will probably give us the peace that we all wished for in the South.

      • ManilaMan

        Plain and simple: They lost the war with Spain and the U.S.
        The Philippine government, having replaced the colonial powers have annexed these territories to the republic. However, the moro struggle continued and i’m afraid there’s no end to this violence cos Singapore is just different from the rest of Malaya. Letting go of East Timor could be our best hope for peace in the south.

      • bright

        i think not..

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        Spain and the US could have included North Borneo in the Philippines if losing war is the reason.

      • ManilaMan

        But they didn’t, cos they didn’t have North Borneo in the first place. it belonged to the British. The modern territories of the sovereign states of the Philippines and Malaysia came as a result of these colonial powers. Archaic governments and their territorial claims would have been superseded and nullified with their inception as modern states.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        North Borneo belonged to the British?

      • MShaf

        The UN says yes (refer to UN Yearbook 1963 on the sub-title “The Question of Malaysia”

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        It seems they had no basis for that.

    • MShaf

      It is simulation military exercise. No ground troops involved. Why don’t you read it properly before commenting.

    • sabahan

      oh please, we are not like you. We dont waste time and energy brewing hatred and violence because we’d rather spend our energy building our nation. Keep on focusing on all these negativity, blaming others for your misfortunes, and il watch from far and understand why u will never progress.

      • ManilaMan

        This Sabah thing is taught in schools in the Philippines, that’s why. I myself believed it at first. But later on realized, why are Filipinos fighting for Sabah while at the same time fighting the secessionists where this claim originated from ever expanding its autonomy and territory, even declaring its own independence now? We didn’t have Sabah in the first, just as we didn’t have the moros who for decades have fought it out with us for their own turf. Thats why im glad we didn’t support the Sabah invasion by these secessionists who don’t call themselves Filipinos but Moros.

  • bright

    ,,,from a national invading force?

    interesting.. if these are land exercises, then perhaps Malaysia is preparing an invasion of the PHL territory by their Bangsamoro puppets..

    hmm…

    • ManilaMan

      Sure? Malaysia is busy fending off these same rebels in Sabah and Sarawak. Maybe the enemy is really from within who is claiming both Sabah and the whole Mindanao and Palawan.

      • bright

        Moro rebels were and are still encouraged by Malaysia to upset the PHL claim on Sabah..

      • ManilaMan

        Thats what you think. So Malaysia encouraged the moro rebels to invade its own Sabah and inflict damage to itself earlier this year? Whose side is the moro really? And why didn’t the Philippines support these rebels if they really are serious on their Sabah claim?

      • bright

        MNLF had lost its graces from Malaysia due to the peace signing agreement with Pres Ramos. You better check the old news. This is why Malaysia created the MILF to break away from the MNLF.

        Even Nur Misuari mentioned that the MNLF were trained in Sabah before waging war in the South.

      • ManilaMan

        Think what you will, but im not convinced Philippines stands to benefit from this Sabah claim when those claiming it have treason for breakfast, and neither does Malaysia gain from supporting rebels that pose a threat to their own territory.

      • sabahan

        exactly These misuari gang is not to be trusted. They may claim their violent acts were due to patriotism, claiming sabah for the good of bangsamoro and philippines, or using religion as a propaganda to gain support, but see what happens now?? When he miserably failed on sabah, he attacked his own country and own people. There are plenty of muslims in zamboaga too, women, elderly and children may all get hurt or killed. Did they care? Isnt it funny remembering a lot of pinoy supported this group when they attacked sabah? Makes me wonder if in philippines it was taught that its okay to cause violent and killed people in another counrty as long as not in your country?

      • bright

        this is a very complicated issue..

        if the bangsamoro framework is granted, MNLF will lose the driver’s seat vs the MILF..

        the reason why the Sabah expedition was launched was because of the framework agreement..

        try to Google/Bing links between Nur Misuari and Malaysia in the 70s. Sabah was a staging ground. My friends in Mindanao even mentioned that not all rebel fighters are Filipinos.

        MIsuari is the cards he is dealt with. Now, he is playing the cards being dealt on the table.

      • ManilaMan

        The reason why the Sabah expedition was launched is because the real claimants wanted to test the Philippine government’s commitment in their Sabah claim. Having found no ally in the Philippines, they have shown their real intentions by declaring its own independent Bangsamoro state. The Philippine government knows they are not claiming Sabah for the country’s benefit, but only for its real claimants who for decades have been striving for its own independent state with Sabah, the whole Mindanao, Sarawak and Palawan as Bangsamoro territory.

      • bright

        how can Sarawak be part of the Kiram claim?

        you don’t test waters by sacrificing lives of your men.

      • ManilaMan

        Ask Misuari or his mouthpiece, Fontanilla.
        This isn’t just testing wars, but a battle for self-determination of the real claimants, the Sulu-based Bangsamoro Republik.
        From Sabah to Zamboanga, they have shown the world their determination to raise the flag of their aspirant state against those who occupied their ancestral lands, Malaysia and the Philippines.

      • bright

        so have you seen the Malaysian connection of the Bangsamoro struggle in the 70s?

        Sarawak was not part of the gift from the Kingdom of Brunei.

        Bangsamoro’s have been given self autonomy by the PHL republic.

        The Sultanate of Sulu has joined the American protectorate before the creation of the PHL republic.

        It is the fault of the British why they never gave back Sabah after the leased, the fault of the Kirams why they never settled this earlier, the fault of the PHL why this was never taken cared of as soon as possible, the fault of the Americans why they never supported the claim, and best of all, the fault of the Malaysians for accepting a Trojan horse into their so called federation.

      • ManilaMan

        Ive also seen the Marcos plot that prompted that response from Malaysia. Thank God we’ve managed to overthrow that dictator. As for Sabah, what’s in it for you as a non-Moro?

        The sultan’s claim is his claim and as far as i know, it’s beyond the geopolitical realities of the modern Philippine state, whose territory is a result of colonial history where tribal claims were replaced by modern treaties among powers. (1898 Treaty of Paris; 1930 US-UK Convention on PH-North Borneo border)

        The Ivatans for example can very well claim Orchid Island in Taiwan as Ivatan territory due to its close affinity to the Taiwanese Yami-Ivatan tribes that inhabit the island close to Itbayat. But the modern Philippine state has clearly left out this territory forever invalidating any archaic claims by these subjects.

        Just keep an eye on Mindanao and Palawan.

      • bright

        Moro or non-Moro, the benefits of Sabah will reverberate throughout the entire nation.

        The gift of Spain was the consolidation of the PHL archipelago. The gift of America was education, system of government, and further consolidation of the PHL republic.

        These things have been handed to us and we need to take care of it. Can you imagine if Luzon, Visayas, Mindanao as separate nations?

        If we have Sabah, the WPS, and no more rebellion, the true power of the PHL nation will shine.

        It won’t matter if we are Moro or non-Moro. Everyone will be happy.

      • ManilaMan

        Dream on! The PHL never even exercised authority nor even plain occupation in Sabah at any given point throughout its history. Spratlys and Scarborough shoal are different as we have 17th and 18th century maps to prove that Bajo de Masinloc y los Paraguas were at one point part of the Philippines under Spain. Guam, the Marianas and Palau are even a more valid claim compared to Sabah as we have in fact integrated the whole Spanish East Indies in our territory with effective administration over these islands. As for Sabah, NIL. And don’t mention the Sulu Sultanate again as it has ceased to exist right when the Sulu archipelago was ceded.

        You have a false sense of national greatness as the Philippine nation had been great even without these false claims prior to the 1960’s. the 2nd biggest economy in Asia next to Japan. The Sabah i know is the same as the Sabah that our national hero knew, the place he had planned to retire where he would lease a plantation from the British in Sabah had he been freed from the rebellion charges after his detention in Dapitan. That is Sabah according to our national hero. And the Sulu Sultan’s history is not our nation’s history! So get real!

      • bright

        interesting..

        so the dream of Ifugao is not our dream? so the dream of the Kapampagan is not our dream?

        if one member of your family has a dream, isn’t it too, in a way, part of your dream? the PHL nation is a family.

        Sabah was part of the Sulu Kingdom since it was given by Brunei. Check the museum in Brunei. They have it there.

        The PHL did not have control of Sabah because once the leased expired, it was handed over to the Malaysians. When Sabah was given, Sulu was not yet part of the American protectorate.

        The PHL was great back then but we can’t live in the past. We need to move forward as a community of common people to restore that lost pride.

        Btw, you failed to answer my questions about Sarawak ang Misuari-Malaysia cconnection.

      • ManilaMan

        If the dream of Ifugao was our dream, then we would have returned what is now Nueva Vizcaya, Southern Isabela and parts of Quirino to them and replace the Ilocano populations there with their original inhabitants. Same for Pampanga. From Bulacan, Tarlac, Nueva Ecija and Bataan was Kapampangan Kingdom only this changed with the expansion of Tagalog under the Spanish rule. Do I have even have to mention the Negritos and their painful history of being driven away to the hinterlands by us? Because Ifugao history gave way to Philippine history, Kapampangan and Negrito dreams were replaced by the nation’s dream.

        And if anyone is living in the past, it sure isn’t me.

      • bright

        past is past my friend..

        same issues have happened in Europe.. people are replaced with other people.. i think someone is living in the past, and it sure isn’t me..

        it’s time to live the present and look forward to a bright future.. Bangsamoro is not the answer..

        again, you failed to answer the Malaysia-Misuari connection and the Sarawak issue..

        i hope your reading facts right before you Wiki them..

      • ManilaMan

        Speaking of Europe, i understand Turkey is the former Ottoman Empire with claims to many parts in southern Europe especially Greece. So let Turkey assert its claim over southern Greece. Is that it? You’re the one living in the past with your stupid Sabah claim of a long defeated tribe like the Ottoman, not me.

        And who cares about Misuari-Malaysia connections or the Joma Sison-Communist China connections? You can even add the Abu Sayyaf-Jemaia Isamia connections. Plain rebels and their nonsense. What about Sarawak? And Wiki?

      • bright

        You mentioned Sarawak as part of the Sulu empire in your earlier posts when it was not. Or did I misread that?

        Greece also had control of Persia, Egypt and the known world but today, everything has settled.

        That is the case with the Bangsamoro. Everything needs to be settled. No to the dismemberment of the PHL republic through this so called “Bangsamoro” which is supported by Malaysia and her traitorous lackeys.

      • ManilaMan

        The Sarawak claim comes from the Bangsamoro Republik. And again, with Sabah and Sarawak being claimed by these secessionist rebels, im not sure how they could be supported by the same country that stands to lose these two states in northern Borneo. I think thats just common sense.

      • bright

        so wazup?

      • ManilaMan

        Misuari-MNLF declared itself independent last August 12, 2013. This Bangsamoro Republik that they established is claiming the whole Mindanao and Palawan plus Sabah and Sarawak. These Suluans have been fighting for decades for their own independent muslim state. They have passed their claim of Sabah to the Philippine government thinking that they will help them recoup their homeland. But when the Philippines failed to support them in Lahad Datu, they have rebelled and seceded. It’s all very obvious now that they didn’t really want Sabah for the Philippines but for themselves. Had the Philippines supported their invasion of Sabah and successfully turned it into a Philippine territory, it would be easier for them to recover Sabah and incorporate it into the muslim autonomous region that is inching its way to becoming a full fledged independent state. Had the Philippines recovered Sabah, only one government stands in its way and they will never stop until Sabah, Mindanao, Palawan and Sarawak become theirs in their independent Bangsamoro Republik.

      • ManilaMan

        Sinuportahan pala mismo ng Malaysia ang pagatake at pagokupa ng mga rebelde sa kanilang Sabah. Sinuportahan pala ng Malaysia ang mismong pag-gulo at pagpatay ng sulu royal army sa mga sundalo nila sa Sabah. Ang galing naman.

        Ang kalaban hindi ang Malaysia. Ang kalaban ay yung nagtatangkang kunin ang parehong lupain ng Pilipinas (Mindanao at Palawan) at Malaysia (Sabah at Sarawak). Ang kalaban ay ang Bangsamoro Republik.

      • sabahan

        have u been reading the news? These moro or mnlf or whataver u call them were the same group who killed our people in lahad datu. Didnt Misuari threaten to send 10,000 troops to sabah earlier this year.? Why would malaysians support them if the outcome will make them stronger and threaten us in return? We want them dead. I believe most Pinoy are intelligent. Thank god, not many are idiots like u who tend to talk rubbish and only good at spewing hatred and blame others.

  • ConcernedCitizenPh

    Filipinos should look back to the history of Sulu to determine what went wrong and how we can achieve peace that has been elusive for too long. We might just find out that corruption may have something to do again with all the troubles that have plagued Southern Philippines.

    • ManilaMan

      The moro problem was born way before the Napoles scam. In fact, it predates the creation of the Philippine republic. Any other Filipinos fed up with the cycle of violence carried out by these moros? Why force what can not be done? These moros they dont call themselves Filipinos, so why can’t we just stop forcing them to be like us, to like us. Give up ARMM! Its contributions to our economy is almost nil anyway, it’s even prevented our economy from taking off with their neverending rebellions. That’s 10-15 million less filipinos so we dont have to worry about the RH bill no more. We’d have also cut down the burden of cash dole outs and CCT by at least 30%. And finally we can take down those Eid and ramadan holidays from the Filipino calendar, replace it with a day to commemorate the first settlers instead or Lumad day. The Filipino is really a mix of the Christian and Lumad anyway. The moros are just from a different world.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        You don’t know what you are talking about. You are not any better than those people.

      • ManilaMan

        I happen to learn first hand the sentiments of the Moro people. In university, i was able to get to know a few students from ARMM and became friends with them. A good friend is doing his PhD now, i know he’ll be a leader of his nation someday.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        I also know firsthand who these people are. I have Tausugs working with me and believe it or not they are the most trustworthy people I have known. I am a Catholic and I never had any problem with their faith. Just like the news you see, they all had immediate family members killed in the past. They also had experienced working in Sabah before. This is probably why this problem in Mindanao has interested me a lot.

      • ManilaMan

        Tausugs.. Misuari and his MNLF faction are Tausug from Sulu. I believe the clamor for independence is stronger among the elite and educated class of Moros. Misuari himself belongs to that class, a graduate of UP. Thats why i am convinced the Bangsamoro state is a legitimate cause and it’s only a matter of time when the Moro elite unite for an independent Bangsmoro.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        They chose to become Filipinos when they ceded their territories. We are enjoying somehow the benefit of sharing with them the resources of these territories. But I think we have failed to come up with our obligations and we should make up for this. Otherwise, what you are saying will surely happen.

      • ManilaMan

        Was there really a choice? It was the older generation that were defeated and forced to cede bangsamoro to the PHL. It’s like saying Rizal and Bonifacio had no right to reclaim these islands from those that took them three centuries earlier. And we are acting like Madre España trying to pacify the ilustrados with their promise of more autonomy and equal benefits. This is bound to happen, i just know it will.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        As I posted earlier, North Borneo would have been part of the Philippines at the turn of the century if they were defeated in a war. You have to take into consideration how the Western colonialists act when they deal with existing political entities like that governed by the Sultanate of Sulu.

      • ManilaMan

        North Borneo, Palawan and the rest of Mindanao were annexed by the colonial powers long before Sulu was defeated. Palawan was sold to Spain in the mid 1800’s, And North Borneo to the British in the same period. The Sulu that was defeated had only the Sulu Archipelago left as territory. Any treaties and governments formed before then would have automatically been voided in their inception to modern Philippine history and government. Simple logic. 1930–The US was able to add another island from Malaysia in agreement with UK: Mangsee Island, and Sabah, it remained with the British as it had for almost a century. The Sulu Sultanate stopped existing as a government with its own claims right when they ceded to the PHL. Hence, this Sabah claim on pure historical basis from a losing tribe that has long sold these territories prior to their defeat is unfounded and merely used as a propaganda.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        How can this be pure historical basis if Malaysia can’t even stop giving lease payments to the Sultanate of Sulu?

      • ManilaMan

        If the lease payments were forwarded to Malacañan, then sure the PHL can say it has a legitimate claim. But no, it goes to the titular head of Sulu only operating under an archaic structure and laws that is not recognized by the sole government of the Philippines which is unitary presidential republican. Are you telling me there are two governments in the Philippines? Or that Malacañan is a constitutional monarchy with both a presidential form of government co-existing with a sultanate? The Sulu sultanate is merely traditional ceremonial in nature and has no true powers even in its own province that is not even a federal state.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        I already have raised my point and answering those questions are immaterial and won’t make the existing contract void or voidable. This Sabah claim must be pursued in court as a matter of national interest and to prevent this country from breaking up.

      • ManilaMan

        I doubt this claim will ever be pursued in court. For one, this issue has dragged on for more than half a century with the Philippines not even having written a draft on this case. Whilst Spratlys and Scarborough which are just recent news have already found its way to ITLOS. It only means there really is a very slim chance to win Sabah, and its a chance not even worth taking on the part of the government. For one, history is not on the side of PHL, the 1898 Treaty of Paris and 1930 US-UK convention on PHL-North Borneo border. Neither could effective occupation and control work in the PHL’s favor.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        Regardless of the chances, this is something that has to happen.

      • ManilaMan

        Meanwhile the same elements that launched the Lahad Datu attacks on Sabah are fighting it out in three districts of Zamboanga City now on its 9th day trying to assert de-facto control of the territory for the independent Bangsamoro state that covers Mindanao, Palawan, Sabah and Sarawak. The real claimants of Sabah, having failed in Lahad Datu, are now intent in claiming what they can from the Philippines.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        The situation can really get worse. I just hope the current administration can anticipate these problems because its headaches mostly came from small problems and issues that were blown out of proportion.

      • ManilaMan

        A chronic headache called the Bangsamoro right to self-determination.

      • ConcernedCitizenPh

        If Pres Aquino is still in Zamboanga, he should be advised to leave. We’ll never know what will happen. He can do a lot more by figuring out real solutions to this war which is just starting.



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