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Depression haunts many Asian college students in US

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SAN FRANCISCO—Moving away from home and going to college can be stressful for anyone, but Asian-American students often face culturally related factors—model minority expectations and family pressures, among them—that can affect their mental well-being.

Ryan Macasero, a 24-year-old Filipino-American, who majored in international studies and political science at California State University, East Bay, recalls feeling depressed and socially anxious even in his childhood and teen years.

Although he was bright, depression thwarted him from doing well in school. He couldn’t live up to expectations. Some people assumed he was lazy or unintelligent. At some point, he says, “I began to believe it, too.”

Some studies have shown that Asian-American college students may be at increased risk of depression. A study conducted by the University of California, San Diego—published in the Journal of Affective Disorders—found that “compared to Caucasians, Asian-Americans exhibited significantly elevated levels of depression.” College counselors have noted that many are extremely reluctant to seek help.

Mental health survey

 

In 2011, the Journal of College Student Development published a study on depression that involved a survey of 1,377 Asian-American students on 66 college campuses.

According to the study, students who had contemplated suicide mentioned three top reasons: recent family problems (47 percent); recent academic problems (43 percent); and recent financial problems (24 percent).

In recent years, though, highly publicized suicides at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, California Institute of Technology and other universities have created a sense of urgency, prompting some campuses to ask if they’re paying enough attention to the mental health of students with Asian backgrounds.

At Stanford University, the high-profile suicide of a Chinese-American graduate engineering student in 2007, along with other less publicized suicides, spurred the Asian American Activities Center to survey all students of Asian descent about their mental health.

At Cornell University, a disproportionate number of suicides among students of Asian descent led the university to convene an Asian-American task force to explore the problem. From 1996 to 2004, 55 percent of suicides among Cornell students involved students with Asian backgrounds, even though only 14 percent of the student body was Asian.

Suicides are rare, and discussing them poses risks. “There’s a danger of over-pathologizing a whole community,” says Wai-Kwong Wong, a Cornell counselor who co-chaired the task force. But he also remembers the sadness and anger he felt as students took their lives. He recalls thinking, “Why are we ignoring this issue? Why are we pretending that nothing is wrong?”

After the task force report was released in 2004, Cornell made major changes to reach students of Asian descent. Stanford’s Asian-American center also used its survey to create culturally sensitive mental health programs. These universities’ findings help shed light on depression and suicide and how campuses can respond.

Model minority pressures

Typecast as high achievers, Asian-American college students often report feeling intense pressure to succeed, college officials say. The Cornell report found: “Because of the ‘model minority’ stereotype and its particular potency in a university setting, they are often viewed as not needing support services or programs, both by school officials and the students themselves.”

“There’s an expectation that they are high-achieving academically,” says Cindy Ng, an associate dean and the director of Stanford’s Asian-American center. “So when they aren’t meeting that, they’re putting a lot of pressures on themselves and creating a lot of stress, and that also leads to perfectionism.”

Joanna Chen, a 20-year-old Cornell junior, has a strong family history of depression. When she was diagnosed with the illness, she began taking an antidepressant and going through counseling at Cornell’s student health center.

Academic pressures and stereotypes have troubled her since childhood, she says. Of Chinese descent, she had very few Asian peers in her Grand Rapids, Michigan, community. By middle school, “I was already facing a lot of stereotypes from my classmates,” she says. They would tell her, “You’re so smart, you’re so good at math,” she says.

Even though these could be called “positive stereotypes,” Chen felt stressed by the expectations. “My earliest memory of doing math was in second grade,” she says. Her father had asked her teacher to give her more challenging work: multiplication tests that none of the other students had received.

“I remember not knowing how to do multiplication, not having done any of that,” Chen says. “I felt like a failure in my gut. It was like a burning sensation, and that’s actually the feeling that I get whenever I don’t finish my assignment on time or I don’t do well on a test. It’s almost paralyzing.”

While academic pressure may start with parents, teachers and classmates, it often travels deep within, says Cornell junior Tommy Li, 20. “You internalize it more than it’s forced on you. My own experience is that by the time I got into high school and now in college, I put that pressure on myself a lot more than my parents pressure me to do that. You believe that you should not get Bs.”

 

Family expectations

Chen chose her own major in the humanities, while Li selected the sciences. Other students, though, feel obligated to follow parents’ expectations for certain career paths.

“A lot of them are first-generation college students,” Wong says. “They have this narrative that their families gave up everything to come to this country and worked so hard to give them this opportunity.”

The power of family obligation isn’t always evident to outsiders, he says. “They don’t get how deep that goes, that sense of living up to family expectations, of not letting their parents down. In many ways, it goes to the core of the identity of many of Asian descent because that’s what they’ve grown up with their entire lives. It’s like, ‘our parents are doing this for us and it is our job to repay them by becoming a doctor or an engineer.’ ”

As the Cornell task force report found, the primacy of family in Asian cultures means that for some students, “the parents’ choice or preference supersedes the individual’s wishes.” As a result, the report stated, many students “felt boxed into majors that they did not like or were not well-suited for.”

In counseling, Wong often helps students to clarify reasons for following a particular career path.  “I think students need to explore what they think and feel so that they can make that choice,” he says, “because oftentimes, they don’t feel that they have a choice.”

Racism and discrimination

Cornell’s Asian-American students were the least satisfied of all students with their school experience, in part because some perceived an unwelcoming campus environment, the task force found.

Students reported “experiences of bias, both blatant and subtle, often having to do with assumptions around language proficiency or with racist humor or comments by faculty and students,” the report stated.

“Many students also expressed a desire for a ‘safe place’ where they could feel comfortable and be themselves without having to be constantly on guard. This sentiment has been echoed by Asian and Asian-American students at other schools and institutions as well.”

Nevertheless, students of Asian descent often avoid asking for help, sometimes delaying until their distress is severe. As the Cornell report stated, students who had internalized the model minority stereotype often felt “shame and a reluctance to seek assistance when confronted with personal or academic difficulties.”

Wong has seen depressed students attempt to cope on their own and spiral into crisis, he says. “They stop going to classes because they’re too embarrassed that they don’t have work to turn in. They stay home, hoping to catch up, which they never do because they’re so depressed. They fall further and further behind. Occasionally, we see students who shut down and basically go into their rooms.”

Usually, such students arrive at the counseling center, he says, “because somebody notices that they haven’t been in class all semester. Or they just become so desperate because they haven’t been in class for a few months.”

Many don’t tell their families about their problems, either, Wong says. “They don’t want to let anybody down. They don’t want their family to worry, or they don’t think their family is going to understand,” he says, adding, though, that he has watched families rally to a depressed student’s side.

Talking it over

After the task force findings, Cornell sought to improve mental health awareness and reduce the pervasive stigma that keeps students from seeking help, Wong says. Some Asian-American students, such as Chen, speak openly about their depression and treatment. Counseling has taught her to communicate her feelings, she says. “I think I’m getting a lot better at it.”

But some students won’t come to counseling—no matter how much encouragement they receive—because it’s culturally unfamiliar or stigmatizing. To reach them, Cornell developed an innovative “Let’s Talk” program, which Wong coordinates.

“Let’s Talk” doesn’t require students to come to the health center for counseling. Instead, school counselors fan out to nine different campus locations throughout the week—to neutral settings where students congregate, such as academic buildings or a resource center for first-year students. The counselors provide free, informal, confidential consultations on a drop-in basis.

These visits aren’t recorded in students’ official medical records, Wong says. Students may even talk anonymously. While “Let’s Talk” isn’t a formal counseling situation, it can be a gateway to formal counseling at the health center if students want more help or if they need a psychiatric referral for medication, according to Wong.

While international and minority students make up only 30 percent of Cornell’s formal counseling caseload, they account for half of the students who use the “Let’s Talk” program, Wong says. The program’s success has led several other universities to adopt Cornell’s model.

Asian-American centers

Fostering a sense of belonging may help protect against depression and suicide, according to the Journal of College Student Development—and that’s important if students feel marginalized on campus.

Some universities have established Asian-American centers to provide support and community, and at the task force’s recommendation, Cornell opened an Asian & Asian American Center on campus in 2009.

Assistant dean of students Patricia Nguyen, who directs the center, describes her role as being the “primary advocate for students of Asian descent,” she says. Nguyen organizes cultural events, helps students with academic probation meetings, and becomes involved when bias incidents happen. But she also connects students with mental health resources, sometimes walking them over to the health center to see a counselor and even sitting in on initial counseling sessions if students wish.

Stanford’s Asian American Activities Center traces its beginnings back to the 1970s, Ng says. In recent years, the center has organized discussions on topics such as stress,

depression, social identity and relationships with parents. The center also makes special efforts to support low-income students who are the first in their family to attend college.

Stanford graduate Timmy Lu, the son of Vietnamese garment workers in Los Angeles, recalls his own jarring transition to the affluent campus. “It can feel difficult, like you’re out of place,” he says. He had never been on vacation, “and it’s really hard to have a conversation with your dorm mates about vacations they’ve taken if you’ve never gone anywhere in your life.”

Recently, Lu, now a 29-year-old community organizer in Oakland, California, returned to Stanford’s center to speak on a panel about parental pressures. His parents’ work struggles had propelled him toward politics and community organizing, but his mother and father didn’t understand those fields and urged him to pursue a more traditional profession, such as law or medicine.

The conflict was painful, but at the Asian American Activities Center, Lu found students and staff who understood his situation—“a social and community element” that helped him to navigate the dilemma, he says.

During the panel discussion, he advised Asian-American students to consider their parents’ perspectives. “It was really important for me to understand their refugee experience and to understand where they’re coming from,” he says. “It wasn’t just like an Asian thing—just a stereotype that Asians want their children to be like this—but it comes from somewhere.”

After experiencing political turmoil in Vietnam, his parents worried about his political involvement, he says. As garment workers who had been exploited, they also worried about poverty. “They didn’t want me to work in low-wage jobs. They didn’t want me to require government assistance,” he says.

How did he finally convince his parents? He relied on his experience as an activist. “I organized my parents. I provided compelling reasons for them to support me and really pushed them hard to help them to understand why I’m doing things,” he says. “I think I’ve been generally successful. They’ve really changed over the years.”

The power of peers

For depressed students, peer relationships matter, says Kisuk Ra, 20, a Cornell junior. Ra moved from South Korea to Albany, New York, at age 13 and excelled in high school. But at Cornell, where he is a pre-med student, he found himself competing against other stellar students and could no longer count on top grades in every class.

“There’s a big initial shock in encountering that kind of difference. It was really disheartening and made me doubt myself and my abilities and my self-worth,” he says. “I definitely had periods where I didn’t want to be with other people, and I would just stay at home by myself.”

After being diagnosed with depression during freshman year, he found that counseling helped, he says, but “the big transition point for me was Cornell Minds Matter.” When he joined the student organization, which is devoted to mental health advocacy, he found kindred spirits.

“The problem with depression is that you’re stuck to your own feelings and your own thoughts,” he says. After he talked with other students about his depression, he no longer felt alone, he says. “They’ve all been really supportive, and there was no judgment or surprise. It’s a shared struggle.”

Turning point

For Macasero, years of depression, social anxiety and being bullied made him consider suicide, but he, too, reached a turning point in college.

“I got tired of living like that. I needed to stop being afraid of everyone and everything,” he says. He dropped into Cal State East Bay’s counseling center. “They helped me realize that my depression was stopping me from performing well,” he says.

He also began seeking out peers. “I forced myself to go into the Filipino Association and sit in on one of their meetings. People came up and started talking to me,” he says. Encouraged, he joined other campus clubs.

Eventually, he emerged from depression. Now, his former self seems but a shadow, he says. “After I started putting myself out there, I almost forgot that I was that isolated person. It didn’t feel like me anymore. It felt like, ‘This is who I really am, and I don’t know who that person was.’ ”


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  • Noel

    I would like to believe that Asians are as smart if not more smart than other nationalities particularly the students from the West. Being alone and far away from families; financial limitations, cultural differences are among the reasons for the depression.

    • crazy_horse_101010

      wonder if they feel depressed when int oher countries working 7 days a week 16 hours a day for 2 years. the ofws because the one below is confused

      • walaywalay

        what? have you EVER been outside the RP? I highly doubt it
        7 days a week???
        16 hours a day????
        where in CHINA are they working in that sweatshop?
        US workers are unionized a 5 day 8 hr day 40 hr week
        a US worker making $20 an hour if working a 16 hr day would get paid
        8 hr X $20=$160
        4 hour X $30=$120
        4 hour X $40=$160
        TOTAL>$440—P19J500 X 5=P97,500

        then you can add saturday 16 hr

        8 hr X $30=$240
        4 hr X $45=$180
        4 hr x $60=$240
        TOTAL $660=P29,500

        then you have sunday
        TRIPLE TIME
        16 hr X $60=$920=P41,000
        1 WEEK PAY P168,000 X 104 WEEKS

        CLOSE TO P18 MILLION IN JUST 2 YR VS P240,000 2 YR SAME JOB PHILIPPINES
        DEPRESSED?

      • crazy_horse_101010

        have you ever heard of a country called america i was born in oregon and live in washigton montana idaho wyoming and california my last job i was making over 35 dollars an hour with hundreds of hours of ot every year running from time a half double and on holidays triple time. i was a member of the ibew international brotherhood of electrical workers. what i was taiking about but guess i didnt make clear was the ofws since we were talkiing about filipinos. understand and most of us made well over 100000 dollars a year. again the ofws are working 7 days a week 16 hours a day the 2 years should have clued you in. so has we say in america cool your jets before you break a blood vessel. also i was answering noel not you by the way look up crazy horse on the internet and tell me ive never left the country and am filipino

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “my last job i was making over 35 dollars an hour with hundreds of hours of ot every year running from time a half double and on holidays triple time.”

        Today you are unemployed counting on your much smaller retirement income while earning a couple pesos a day selling fish to compensate from a remote fishing village north of Mindanao that you and your Filipina wifee (while still holding a US citizenship) have moved to after abandoning your residence here in the USA where you like to remind yourself and everyone else where you used to earn just $35 dollars an hour climbing up electrical poles.

        (You didn’t earn well over $100k a year as your regular salary at just $35/hr. You need to earn at least $52/hr to make $100k a year crazywhores)

        Give up crazywhores, your USA days are over. You’re just a foreigner in the Philippines trying to exploit the Filipino fishermen in your remote fishing village worrying about floods and typhoons that can easily wash you away like flushing the toilet.

        hhahahaahahahahHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        re the lying fat pig is back great hey stupid remember what you said to big buto dont say anything about mr unless you have proof remember them words comrade so where is your proof tell me and since you are so obsessed tat you looked at my postins for a year how come you never said anything about the ones where i paid from 5000 to 10000 pisos a month to help the poor or about the 6 kids that i put through college. forget them moron and just how much is my retirement tell and who am i getting my retirement from since you hacked my accounts and stole that information . has for abandoning my place in america i double my money on it now prove me wrong how much did i sell it for liar. anyway bring out the proof foryour lies which no one believes anyway because you are the forum jokes and everyone has a nickname for you fake american. so keep trying daisy chain because you are a proven fraud who hates filipinos and americans chinese whore

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “has for abandoning my place in america i double my money on it now prove me wrong how much did i sell it for liar.”

        Crazywhorse, you can’t double your money just because you sold your property in the US. All you’ve done was converted the value of your property, minus any unpaid mortgage balance and any capital gains taxes, into cash.

        That’s not doubling your financial assets moron.

        hhahahaahahahahahHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        where is your proof douchebag you made the lies now prove them azzwipe tell me what did i sell my house for and quit waeseling around dont say anything unless you can prove where was my house located the street address stupid i doubled my money prove to me i didnt . jack azz you havent proven a thing now has you told big buto show the proof and what is myname and where do i live now whicn brgy do i live in pigshzt . show the world since you have read my comments you would know there is no fish here anymore and stupid read the part where it says i worked hundreds of hours of overtime every year moron you cant read english can you most of my overtime weas double time so that is over 70 dollars a hour cant do math either can you any more lies moron and at triple time that is over 105 dollars a hour now prove me wrong . plus 15 dollars for every missed meal notice you ran like a coward when i ask you to prove things

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “where is your proof”

        Nobody needs to know how much money you sold your house for Crazywhores. Because one thing is for sure, you CAN’T double your financial assets just because you sold your house idiot.

        It’s simple accounting stupid. In general….

        Financial Value = Assets – Liabilities.

        Whether your property is in the form of “cash” or “real estate”, the value DOES NOT DOUBLE just because you convert your property into CASH MORON.

        hhahahahahahahahahahahahHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        If you don’t understand this…then don’t worry about it Crazywhores…we don’t expect an electrical pole climber to understand.

        We also don’t expect an electrical pole climber to understand that when you LOSE your $35/hr salary in the US and move to the Philippines, you don’t double your income either.

        Now the World knows more about Crazwhores.

        hhahahahahahahahahHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        RE RETARDED WHORE i paid 135000 for my house and sold it for 290 000 thousand how much is that moron . i paid cash for my house because i had a house i sold before that was paid for dumbdumb anyway show me i didnt double my money douchebag. and again you havent proven squat so WHERE IS YOUR PROOF WHERE DID I LIVE HOW MUCH OVERTIME DID I WORK A YEAR TELL IDIOT.

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “RE RETARDED WHORE i paid 135000 for my house and sold it for 290 000 thousand how much is that moron .”

        You paid $135k for your property and in X amount of years (where X could be anywhere from 10+ years), the value of your property appreciated $155k.

        Where in this equation does Philippines come in moron? You think that because you moved to Philippines, it DOUBLED the value of your home Crazywhores? WRONG.

        You’re not the only one in America who had bought properties and watched their home values rise prior to the Real Estate Bubble Bust.

        I bought a rental property in “cash” a year ago which has now TRIPLED in value. Also bought another rental property in “cash” again several months ago which hasn’t changed much in value. Will the value for these properties DOUBLE if I move to the Philippines Crazywhorse? NO.

        So let us go back to your following statement here…

        “as for abandoning my place in america i double my money on it now” – Crazywhores

        Upon abandoning your place in America, the value of your house was $290k and upon selling your house for cash, you received $290k (minus and capital gains taxes).

        Thus, $290k – $290k = 0 = zero = No Doubling….you get exactly what your house is worth in the form of cash idiot.

        In other words, “Abandoning” your Place in America DOES NOT double your money crazywhores…”Investing” in a Place in America doubled your money over time stupid….is that understood moron?

        hhahahahahahaahahhHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        keep trying moron you havent been rigyt yet i sold my house in america one year before the bust you the dumbest person i have ever seen just like chicken with its head cut off idiot you know nothing about houses and sales in america retard but keep looking stupid i love it douchebag and before you open your big mouth look at capital gains taaxes becuse you dont have clue and i didnt own the house 10 years you know everything about how come you didnt know that. anyway pig shzt you cabn take you phony math your phonly lies and shove them up your fat azz i know i have in the ban k and you dont moron and how much is 290000 in cash when you have it the bank piglet anyway until you can prove your lies about my wife and i your statements are worthless like you and even if you did orove no one cares because everyone knows you are racist lying pig and the most hated person here. so comrade you are a idoit who knows nothing and you just proved it thank you bye bye azzwipe HAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW PITIFUL WHO-E.

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “i sold my house in america one year before the bust”

        It doesn’t matter where you try to drive this conversation Crazywhores.

        You’ll remain the big idiot for saying that “abandoning” your place in America “DOUBLED” your money…only a stupid retired and unemployed electrical pole climber living in a remote fishing village north of Mindanao would say that:

        “as for abandoning my place in america i double my money on it” – Crazywhores

        hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        RE the ugly who-e speaks gibberish again and if you have a problem with me here talk to the other 300000 americans who live keep whining you arent bothering me one iota moron and still no proof why not just the same old monkey chater so that proves you atre a idiot and know nothing thank you for still talking because it shows what A MORON YOU ARE AZZWIPE GIVE US MORE LIES. which village north of mindanao do i live in . i laugh everytime you post that one because it shows the world what a child you are. siberia is north of mindnao am i there idiot and it has been proven you are the village idiot you are so poor you had to buy a smuggled chinese made air con no american would ever admit to that they would be to embarrassed what A LOSER

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “A MORON YOU ARE AZZWIPE GIVE US MORE”

        Speaking of AZZWIPE…That’s what your Filipina Wifee has been doing after you take a dump in your stinky septic tank…wiping your wrinkled a$$ and putting on a set of new adult diapers for your a$$.

        hhahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA

        re: “siberia is north of mindnao am i there idiot”

        Is Siberia in the Philippines Crazywhores? No idiot.

        You admitted to residing North of Mindanao in a remote fishing village where buying lots and properties are so cheap and affordable even a minimum wage McDonalds worker here in the US could afford to buy hectares of land Crazywhores.

        The only LOSER here is you…Crazywhores, the “Failed American” who couldn’t afford to live in America anymore, but loves bragging about the $35/hr salary he earned once upon a time.

        hhahahahahahahaahHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        RE THE VILLAGE IDIOT AND TOWN PUMP. your posting get more stupid everytime you open your mouth failed filipino who deserted your country to move somewhere else and now spews out hatred to your country and the people who live. you are a traitor and everyone knows it and along with your lies are the most hated person here how is the bragging going with your 3 rentals and 100000 dollars a year job yeah right we reallty believe that one HAWHAWHAW LOSER where north of mindanao clown tell me and again you are lying without proof can you prove i cant live in america with my 5 retirements bank account and 401k that i havent touched lets see your proof moron . you cant prove a thing so shut has you told big buto again what island am i living on show me commie liar even when you arent around everyone wants to know where the purple who-e or azz is you are our comic relive and what is funny if i did lie evryone will believe me over you because you to everyone. so have a nice day purple puke and go make love to our pigs in the sty say hello to them for me old ugly one HAWHWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE THISIS FUN how is your fake air con doing at least my three arent chinese fakes moron

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “again you are lying without proof can you prove i cant live in america with my 5 retirements bank account and 401k that i havent touched”

        Let’s put things into perspective here.

        You owned a house in the US valued at $290k completely paid off. And yet you sold it to get the cash equivalent but lost to paying a hefty annual income tax of more than 15% ($43.5k) to Uncle Sam allowing you to keep less than $246.5k.

        So after spending $135k to buy the original home, you didn’t double your money, you tried to lie to us…you fell back by $23.5k due to income taxes Crazywhores. And probably even more by the Property Taxes, Home Insurance Policy, Home Repairs/Upgrades that you paid in at least $2k for every year you’ve had the property.

        So why would you sell your house in the US if it’s already completely paid off Crazywhores? Simple, you lost your $35/hr job and ran out of money and couldn’t see yourself continuing to pay Property Taxes, Home Insurance, Federal Taxes, Medical Expenses, Transportation Costs and Repairs, and everything else that was eating into your Savings.

        re: “5 retirements bank account and 401k”

        By the way, there is no such thing as “Retirement Bank Accounts”, it’s simply called a “Bank Account”. While the number of bank accounts is meaningless Crazywhores. Anyone can open up 10 bank accounts and deposit just $50 in each account.

        Your 401k will probably be the last resource you’ll pull from depending on whether you are clear from withdrawing your funds tax-free or whether you realize that your 401k investment is taking a nose dive into losses.

        The point is, you have abandoned America and have sold your house because you believe buying a lot as a foreigner that won’t belong to you in the Philippines is far more beneficial than owning a completely paid off home in the US where you can no longer afford to sustain a good living here after losing your $35/hr job Crazywhores.

        In other words, You’re a “FAILED AMERICAN”.

        hhahahahahahahahaahahHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        re lying purple whore not interseted in your bullshzt we all know you are a liar and just wasting peoples time failed filipno who left its country because it coulnt make a living and is now a traitor to its on country. oh as for my home i got a check for over 275000 now prove im a lia stupid i sold my house because i hayed california like most westerners do i never once planned on staying there period california was never my home i went there for the money. and kiar you have been sayiong i cant go into stores yhay is a lie prices are marked on goods in stores so why would i have to stand outside. moron in what forum and on what date did i say i couldnt go into a store. you said my wife sleeps wityh other men when im asleep how would you know that unless you were spying on her explain that one. you said i committed credit card fraud how would you know that unless you hacked into my accounts you said i had bad credit again how would you know that without mt social security number and mothers maiden name want more of your lies.. there is 7000 islands here and 300000 americans on which one do i live and which failed american am i at least i dont brag about buying cheap chinese garbage. so im not responding to your ranting until you can eplain your lies idiot. YOU ARE A FAILED FLIPINO TRAITOR HAEWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW WHAT A DUMB AZZHOLE .

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “i sold my house because i hayed california like most westerners do i never once planned on staying there period california was never my home i went there for the money.”

        Just because you hate California doesn’t mean you should abandon the United States altogether Crazywhores.

        You could have moved back to Oregon, or if you enjoy tropical climates Hawaii, Florida, or even Guam, or any of the other States in America.

        Even if you had lost your $35/hr career, your Filipina wife could have continued to work and expand on her resume bringing more than enough bacon home and money remittance to her family while you both settle on any property in the US completely paid off.

        Instead, you decided to become a foreigner in a 3rd world country to settle as a “FAILED AMERICAN” Crazywhores.

        hahahahahahahahHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        RE PITFUL COMMIE WHO-E WHO IS THE FORUMS BIGGEST LIAR keep making your stupid remarks purple whore i dont even bother to read your lies anymore because they are so moronic and you never will answer your lies you just make up new ones plus i want your fat azz where there is more people so i can prove what a idiot you are pitiful one. still looking at my postings for the last your moron. so if you make a statement about my wife and i prove now FAILED FILIPINO who betrayed their country. AND SOLD OUT TO CHINA HAWHAHAWHAWHAW DUMB ZZ

      • PurpleDaisy13

        Very good point.

        Asian-Americans really shouldn’t have much to be depressed about compared to what other Asians outside of the US at their age have to experience just to survive.

      • crazy_horse_101010

        what do you care commie you hate filipinos remember you said they are COWARDS in your words fake americn

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “what do you care”

        Why do you want to know about what I care about crazywhores? MYOB.

        hhahahahahahhAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        RE RETARD SPEAKS speak english you dont even make sense you are like all these retarded commies here a bunch of gibberish

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “speak english”

        Everyone here can see that between you and me, my English is far easier to read and comprehend. Unlike your style of English with run-on sentences:

        “RE RETARD SPEAKS speak english you dont even make sense you are like all these retarded commies here a bunch of gibberish” – CrazyWhores

        , stuttering:

        “RE RETARD SPEAKS speak” – Crazywhores

        , and lack of punctuation:

        “you dont even make sense you are like all these retarded commies here a bunch of gibberish” – Crazywhores

        , it’s clear that you didn’t get a very good education here in the US compared to me Crazywhores. I suppose that’s what happens when you’ve lived in a tip-pee hut with your Native American relatives Crazywhores.

        hhahahaahahahHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        SORRY DIDNT EVEN READ YOUR PIG CRAP BECAUSE YOU ARE BORING SAME OLD LIES SEEN THEM ALL BEFORE SO WHY WASTE MY TIME YAWN BORING ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ and i dont read things you keep repeating over and over again

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “SORRY DIDNT EVEN READ”

        Don’t worry Crazywhores, we understand that some electrical pole climbers like yourself consider reading to be more of a hassle and a chore compared to the rest of the audience whereby reading is effortless and provides a BIG LAUGH everytime they read my reply to your “failed American” a$$.

        hhahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • crazy_horse_101010

        to stupid even to answer just a bunch of gibberish by a moron who is the big laugh and living in denial and a failed filipino and traitor to its country a fat azz phony we arent called electric pole climbers moron you cant even get that right. has for reading how many times have i had to show you things in print that you cant seem to understand when you cant understand it you just make up stories phony childish lies goodbye fron this village north of mindanao HAWHAWGAWGAWGAW RETARD

      • blue_lights

        “Dear Crazy_Horse,

        We are deeply insulted at your comparison because our crap is infinitely better than that PurplePoop-dreaming-of-being-an-American call center agent who dresses like a clown.

        Sincerely, the Pigs”

      • crazy_horse_101010

        dear pigs i know you crap is better and more entertaining. didnt mean to insult the pigs, whom i have more respect for. . thanks for the input i shall be kinder to all pigs from now on. can i use a tapeworm instead. sincerely purple daisy hater

      • blue_lights

        psst… you haven’t been counting the taxes, healthcare, cost of living, and parasite relatives in the Philippines. Actually, the last item alone is enough to make anyone upset.

    • walaywalay

      as far as who is smarter than who
      all you have to look at is
      who is working for who
      how many foreign OFW work in the RP
      how many RP OFW work for foreigners

      • Noel

        it all comes down to economic reasons. OFWs work abroad because our government cannot provide them good decent jobs. Do you think that they’d like to work under foreigners and take odd low paying jobs with their degrees? They swallow their pride just to be able to feed their families. It has nothing to do with being smart. Even in job hunting and work place promotion, sometimes it’s whom you know and not what you know.

    • go88

      If Asian are that more smart than westerners how come there is such a low number of Asian Nobel price holders and the few who received it in science usually got it while working for western institutions)?

      I’ve learned from and done research with russian and armenians, till now I haven’t met any asian who could match those guys skills, I doubt even 1% of asian science students would be able pass the entrance exam of Moscow state university or an equivalent institution in Russia.

      • Noel

        It’s all politics at Nobel Price and other big awarding bodies. Do you know that sometimes it can even be bought?

      • go88

        Nobel price being bought? How could Einstein, Curie … have bought it? Those peoples weren’t known for their wealth and did not care for money. The russian mathematician Perelman, possibly one the brightest minds on this planet was offered the Fields Medal and Milenium prize (one million dollars) but refused, he even abandoned mathematics because he didn’t like notoriety and lives now in a small apartment with his mother.

      • Noel

        Money talks. Anything can be bought these days including your life. You questioned why no Filipino got a Nobel Prize. Do you know that there’s also a Ramon Magsaysay Award in Asia? The issue is who are smart and smarter. To end this discussion, let me just say that I’m smarter than you.

      • go88

        Unfortunately your money ( supposing you have any ;) )won’t allow you to buy a brain … you compare the Nobel Prize to the Ramon Magsaysay Award? … LOL

      • Noel

        Why not? it can easily buy a monkey brain like yours.

      • go88

        Buying a monkey brain would be a waste of money for you … it would not fit in your empty head.

      • Noel

        It’s not a waste of money. I’m willing to pay at any price for your brain. Now if it’s a waste of money, then give your brain for free then I’m going to give it to my dogs to eat.

      • riza888

        Historically, up to about 1970, only white males have been allowed the opportunity to fully develop their potential as contributors to society or to any field of science or scholarship.

      • go88

        Several white women were able to Marie Curie received the Nobel price reap. in Physics (1903) and in Chemistry (1911), her daughter Irene Joliot-Curie received it in Chemistry (1935), those are just two among others who received the prize in Physics, Chemistry, Medicine, Economics, Litterature, Peace/
        The japanese had already advanced research facilities before WWII, their educational system was german inspired. During WWII the japanese were about to produce their own nuclear weapons, in 1949 Japan received it’s first nobel prize in Physics.

  • doubting tomas

    You come to a point when you just have to say fcuk it.
    Other people’s perception of you will not make you
    happy.

    It’s just not worth it.

    • walaywalay

      when you have to rely on others to make you happy—then you are not worth it
      the ”unfair”attitude belongs to losers and whiners
      face it–life is not fair
      then you die

  • UrHONOR

    BAKIT kaya sa SINeyt at Basahang Pambansa walang na-i-stress at na-de-depress na nagpapakamatay? Paano kaya ma-depress ang mga TNL na yan para magpakamatay yong mga MAGNANAKAW…tawas?

    • Cue_Vas

      That’s because of low expectations and kapalmuks.

      • UrHONOR

        MAAARI nga….sa kapal ng muks at apog ng mga TNL, hindi makapasok ang DEPRESSION……. at hindi tinatablan ng STRESS!

  • TUMBOKIN

    Its this simple…If you can not stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
    You guys could always go home and stick it out here, you just missed out on a great opportunity though.

    • blue_lights

      Or do what I did… get hammered a lot and party the blues away with cute chicks from all different countries. yeahhh!

      I was only ever depressed during summer break when everyone else went home, but that was also the time to get a summer job and save up $$$ for the next year’s partying!

  • riza888

    Asian parents tend to want their kids to take care of them after they retire. Which partially explains the pressure the parents bear on their child to get into a good school or get a good job.

    • blue_lights

      That sucks!

    • go88

      There is often parental pressure to earn money for themselves or to send the numerous siblings those fathered to school in turn …. therefore good school often means short studies …. a ‘good job’ may mean a job in a call-center or domestic helper abroad.

  • boybakal

    Competition is fierce.
    Competition among same race and competition among other races.
    Asians have no outlet unlike whites and blacks they can excel in sports if they cant in academics.
    The outlet is limited….that may result to depression.

    • blue_lights

      “unlike whites and blacks they can excel in sports”… here we go again with the exact same stereotyping that hurts Asian students.

  • Cue_Vas

    It’s depressing because here you are, staying up late trying to master calculus.
    Then an idiot like Kim Kardashian just spreads her legs and becomes an instant millionaire.

    • Elnore

      Sooo true!

  • Elnore

    Instead of being depressed, they should be thankful they are in the land of milk and honey. Let them try to live in flooded country like the Philippines so they can appreciate they are better off here, my gosh. Thank God for all your blessings!



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