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Taiwanese investigators rides a rubber boat as they inspect a ship involved in the alleged shooting of a Taiwanese fisherman while they continue their probe in Manila on Tuesday, May 28, 2013. The daughter of the Taiwanese fisherman allegedly killed by Filipino coast guards filed murder charges during joint proceedings held by Taiwanese and Philippine prosecutors in Pingtung County on Tuesday. AP PHOTO/AARON FAVILA

MANILA, Philippines—Filipino workers are again packing their bags for Taiwan, a sign that relations between Manila and Taipei are returning to normal after a three-month diplomatic row.

Taiwan on Thursday lifted a ban on Filipino workers and other retaliatory sanctions against the Philippines after Manila formally apologized for the fatal shooting on May 9 of a Taiwanese fisherman.

Malacañang also finally released a report of the National Bureau of Investigation that recommended the filing of homicide charges against eight Philippine Coast Guard personnel involved in the shooting.

“The government of the Republic of China (Taiwan’s official title) announces that the sanction against the Philippines is removed immediately after the Filipino side has displayed apology and goodwill in written statements and action,” the foreign ministry said in a statement.

The announcement came after Amadeo R. Perez, chair of the Manila Economic and Cultural Office (Meco) which handles relations in the absence of diplomatic ties, flew to Taiwan and offered an “official apology” on behalf of President Benigno Aquino III.

Tensions had risen sharply after a 65-year-old fisherman was shot dead by Filipino coast guards on May 9 in waters near an island in the Philippines’ extreme north, which Taiwan also claims as part of its economic zone.

Perez then traveled to the small southern port town of Hsiaoliuchiu to meet the family of the dead man, Hung Shih-chen. In televised comments, Perez said he wished to convey “the Philippine people’s deep regret and apology to the family of Mr. Hung Shih-chen over this unfortunate loss of life of their beloved one.”

“May I respectfully present our official letter of apology to the family of Mr. Hung on behalf of our President and our people,” he told Hung’s widow, before giving her the letter and shaking her hands.

Taiwan’s foreign ministry said the Hung family and the Filipino government had reached a settlement on compensation, without specifying its content.

Taiwan said Manila had also agreed to hold further talks on a proposed fisheries agreement as part of their efforts to avoid another such tragedy while handling disputes.

Taiwan had rejected earlier apologies by Manila as inadequate and imposed a series of sanctions, including a ban on hiring new Filipino workers, an advisory urging Taiwanese not to visit the Philippines, and the suspension of trade and academic exchanges.

But diplomatic tensions eased after Philippine authorities said on Wednesday they had recommended homicide charges against eight Filipino coast guards for Hung’s death.

Perez had previously visited Taiwan in May as a “personal representative” of President Aquino, but his apology was rejected by the Taipei government because he had described Hung’s death as “unintended.”

The killing caused outrage and protests in Taiwan, with President Ma Ying-jeou describing it as “cold-blooded murder” as Taipei responded with the sanctions and with navy drills.

After a three-month standoff, Thursday’s announcement on the lifting of the ban on Filipino workers was a clear sign of the normalizing relations between the two countries, said an official of the Meco.

“We have heard that some workers waiting in Manila have been advised to prepare to be deployed (in Taiwan),” Meco resident representative Antonio Basilio said in a text message from Taipei.

Basilio, who was part of the Meco delegation that flew to Taipei to deliver the apology to Hung’s family, said they also received a report that Taiwan’s Council of Labor Affairs has begun processing work permits for Filipinos.

Meco could not say how many Filipino workers were replaced by workers from other countries after the May 15 ban, but estimated that at least 3,000 contracts a month were frozen since then.

Had the crisis lasted longer, Taiwanese employers would have been forced to recruit workers from other countries, Meco officials said.

“They are quite relieved,” Basilio said of the Meco staff. He said Perez has informed President Aquino about the results of their visit in Taipei. With a report from AFP

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  • warillaman

    It is best that filipinos shold not work in retard taiwan, right now, they are forcing us to fish more in our waters and if we don’t agree, they will use you again as hostages now that they got away while using our OFW fo the accidental death of their old retard chink who it should be the captain of that boat who should be blamed, prosecuted and jailed for this tragedy because of greed in poaching and stealing in our waters.
    The world is there for us, we have the brains, we speak and write english and understand anywhere else of which this taiwanese chinks and their cousins are lacking, They needed pinoy workers there instead of us looking for job in retard taiwan. They can get people from vietnam, burma, indonesia, but the problem is, it will take them 1,000 years beore they can teach gobblygook words to this workers who speaks in proper languages in each country.

    • Kevin

      Then stop begging to work in Taiwan. NO ONE FORCES FILIPINOS TO WORK IN TAIWAN.

      And guess which country has most foreign workers in Taiwan? No, it’s not Philippines, it’s Indonesia. And guess which country has the second most? No, it’s not Philippines, it’s Thailand.

      Don’t apply for the work permit to work in Taiwan and OFWs will gradually be replaced by people from Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Burma, etc like past few months. Again, NO ONE FORCES FILIPINOS TO WORK IN TAIWAN.

      • warillaman

        retard chink, my country is free no one is stopping us from doing what we want to do, while you can stop it by not giving jobs to us, he,he,he,he, and you think so, thailand??? good for them then, it won’t hurt or envy us a bit, meanwhile you needed us most, who will understand english instructions!!! unless you speak thai, which I doubt it, you have no brains, you are retard chinks, he,he,he,he,

      • Kevin

        (1) it’s not Taiwan government’s duty to provide jobs to Filipinos. You need to earn it.
        (2) With more Indonesia and Thailand workers in Taiwan, it’s obvious OFWs aren’t the only ones can do these low-skilled low-paid jobs. OFWs are easily replaceable by people from countries like Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Burma, and so on. This has gradually been done in the last few months.
        (3) Thai and Indonesians speak good English and have no problem communicating with others.
        (4) Blame Philippines government for your own poverty.

      • warillaman

        1,well, it s chink’s government to stop companies hiring filipino workers, they did this just awhile ago, retard chink.
        2,OFW cannot stop the government hiring other country’s workers,
        3, he,he,he,he, in your dreams, no problem there huh,
        4, we don’t blame governments, its a free country, we have poverty, just the same as yours and everywhere else in the world

      • Kevin

        he, he,he,he, blame Philippines’ government for your own poverty.

      • warillaman

        he,he,he, I don’t blame anyone for my poverty he,he,he,he,

      • Kevin

        he,he,he, enjoy your poverty, he,he,he,he

      • warillaman

        I am enjoying it to my very best, retard chink, he,he,he,

      • Kevin

        he,he,he a filipinos enjoys his poverty, he,he,he,he

      • warillaman

        oh yes, retard chink, not like you being retard, he,he,he,

      • Kevin

        he,he,he, only a retard filipinos enjoys poverty, he,he,he,he

      • warillaman

        he,he,he, we are never retard, we have brains, you have none being retard mongoloid slaves, he,he,he,

      • Kevin

        he,he,he, only a retard filipinos enjoying poverty thinks he isn’t retard. he,he,he

      • warillaman

        only chinks who thinks they not retarded being mongoloids he,he,he,he,

      • Kevin

        he,he,he a retard filipino enjoys poverty and is proud of proverty, he,he,he,he

      • reddfrog

        warillaman is a savage, look at his posts, very uncivilized.

      • warillaman

        and you are?? retard chink??? you’re a slave by your commie masters who is civilized here, retard chink, he,he,he,

      • Kevin

        he,he,he, a retard filipino enjoying poverty, he, he, he, he

      • reddfrog

        This warillaman thinks Taiwan is a homogenous Han Chinese society, my God talk about ignorance! Obviously he hasn’t been paying attention to the Taiwan team at FIBA Asia and didn’t noticed that some players can be mistaken for a Filipino.

      • warillaman

        only you can mistake them for filipinos, because you are a chink but they are filipinos, blood sweat and tears, retard chink, he,he,he,he,

      • reddfrog

        Please construct a paragraph that is comprehensible. Try again. Oh by the way, just in case the word comprehensible is too deep for you, it means something that makes sense.

      • warillaman

        I don’t need to, you don’t even know what paragraph is, you’re a retard chink, he,he,he,he,

      • ynigooctaviano

        Pulang palaka, How deep is your pocket? Baka naman puro barya 50 cents yadba ng Taiwan sa imo.

      • ynigooctaviano

        Tot-u mo! Kuomintang is obsolete na! Likba ka na sa yanba mo na mayaman pala. Get a real job sa factory sa Taiwan. Pwe

      • reddfrog

        Sorry but I do not live in China. Your posts shows a lot of Racism and bigotry. I hope you’re not a graduate my alma mater UST. That will be pretty embarrassing.

      • warillaman

        he,he,he, your idiocy shows it then, how can you live with the chinks hovering our shores, and retard taiwan using our OFW to let our gov, bow to this chinks, our coastguard people being prosecuted, if you are UST grad, you should be proud it is a filipino education, not chinks, where will you be if you are a graduate of peking duck uni.
        me, I am a graduate of tolentino tech, samson tech, guzman tech, just poor man’s school, with a lot of filipino blood in me.

      • reddfrog

        Ironic you should talk about idiocy. And if Filipino education means using racial slurs left and right then All I can say is Filipino education standard has been going down the tubes since the 1990’s.

      • warillaman

        its better than you idiot chinks just bullying my country just like that, at least it is appropriate to call you retard chinks, and proud of it, however, I question where your loyalties lies using your chinks roots against me, if you are using your chinks roots, you should go back to where your forefathers started, being slaves, at least you graduated from my country’s education not from peking duck uni, or hongkong dimsum college

      • reddfrog

        So you are proud of mis-using racial slurs. Congratulations! I’m pretty sure you’ll find a decent job someday.

      • warillaman

        to you retard chinks, I relish it, and I have a job more decent than you have, he,he,he,he

      • ynigooctaviano

        Pulang palaka, dehins mo sakay ang kulturang noypi. out of place ka sa pinas. wa wa ka naman. Lonta ka sa putikan. Get a real job not a 50 cents from Taiwan.

      • Rejenal Pang

        after all is still a technical not engineer
        and that’s is good enough for U to work in Taiwan as a process worker

      • ynigooctaviano

        Pulang palaka, Utot Sabay Taki la gayam. Bakit dehins ka graduate ng Taiwan? Dehins ka naman noypi. Layas Pwe

      • Rejenal Pang

        go and ask people which is the famous slavery country
        Philippines is the answer

      • warillaman

        he,he,he,he, which people you??? he,he,he,retard chink, ask your forefathers how they build that stupid great wall of yours, he,he,he,

      • ynigooctaviano

        Pulang palaka, Lon-ta ka na naman toits Likba ka na sa putikan sa Taiwan. Kokak Kokak Kokak.

      • Rejenal Pang

        only pegmy think they are bigger without looking at the mirror

      • ynigooctaviano

        Kebeng, Normal ka ba? likba ka na sa yanba mo puro retarded sa Pinas. Ano gawa mo toits?

      • Rejenal Pang

        just peas brain and thick skull

        hahaha

      • warillaman

        while you are just retard mongoloid chink, he,he,he,

      • ynigooctaviano

        Kebeng, Yanmaba ka ba? Kitba nasa Pinas ka? Likba ka na sa Taiwan. They pay you 50 cents Get a real job.

      • ynigooctaviano

        Kebeng, Puro ka kayabangan. Likba ka na sa yanba mo! Layas kayo Sama mo si Pulang Palaka (Reddfrogg).

      • ynigooctaviano

        Kitba ba, Kebeng? yanmaba ka ba? Anong ginagawa mo sa mahirap na bayan? Likba ka na sa lastog na bayan mo.

      • Rejenal Pang

        BUT U blame your mama never give U enough milk so U only grow up to the breast of the aussie woman

        hahaha

      • warillaman

        and you live in the country to give you education on my tax money, idiot retard chink, typical retard chink, good for nothing idiot.

      • Rejenal Pang

        I graduate before U are born by the way your new born allowance have part of my tax money

        hahaha

      • warillaman

        HE,HE,HE, RETARD, YOU ARE JUST A BULLIED CHINK IN SYDNEY, YOU KILLED YOUR OWN PEOPLE IN EPPING, ONE DAY, THEY CATCH YOU EVEN IF YOU’RE IN CHINKSLAND. AND THERE WHERE NO CHINKS IN AUSTRALIA 1979 THIS IS PURELY WHITE COUNTRY, KILLER RETARD CHINK

      • Rejenal Pang

        what about that pygmy kill his own family in Epping

      • Rejenal Pang

        hello My grandfather come to Australia in 1800

      • ynigooctaviano

        Kebeng, kitba ba? Yanmaba ka ba? Kitba nasa Pinas ka. Mahirap toits likba ka sa yanmaba na Taiwan.

      • Rejenal Pang

        Hello

        1 Philippines workers are employees only no obligation at all

        2 Philippines workers become liability and others not

        Philippines is not have poverty.
        Philippines people are below poverty line
        call the banana country

        all country have poor people but not all country have poverty
        like developed country

      • warillaman

        retard chink, go back to school, don’t go to hongkong dimsum college or peking duck uni, it is showing here now, go to curtin uni, murdoch, or edith cowan

      • Rejenal Pang

        how much longer U can live with the dole

      • warillaman

        he,he,he, I gave the dole, not like you retard chink, you go to school with my tax on this school you get for your education, he,he,he,

      • ynigooctaviano

        Kebeng, Get a real job not a 50 cents job from Taiwan Economic Affairs. Puro ka kayabangan. Pwe.

      • Rejenal Pang

        yes plenty of jobs in Philippines.with higher pay too

        What kind of job is that?What is the qualification ?

        Ans; it is easy and no need for qualification as long as U are young

        So what kind of job is it ?
        blow jobs and rim jobs

      • ynigooctaviano

        Rejenal Pangit, High payroll ka ba? Deep pocketed ka ba? Puro ka lang kayabangan. Get a real blow job from Kebeng.

      • Rejenal Pang

        warillaman is Aussie pygmy and he just try to make U angry

        not to worry about him

      • Batman

        Don’t worry Kevin we are ready to surrender more jobs to our Indonesian friends, who are closest to us in the ASEAN.

        We have been encouraging our OFWs not to choose Taiwan and China to save you from worry or arguments.

      • Kevin

        That’s good. Hope there are less and less OFWs in Taiwan and these OFWs can find other jobs like Philippines government claimed when the incident first started but failed to do.

        Also, you may need to put a better effort since there are still many Filipinos line up to apply for work permit

      • Batman

        It is ok.

        We have accepted many Taiwanese “refugees” (in the great retreat from the mainland) and plenty of Taiwanese prospectors.

        It seems our hospitality is not enough.

        Please encourage your Taiwanese brothers to stop POACHING and STEALING for DECADES.

        Please encourage your Taiwanese brothers to stop making the top illegal drugs manufacturing facilities in the country.

        PLEASE!

      • Kevin

        If anyone commits crimes in Philippines, feel free to arrest him, prosecute him, and put him in jail. Just like any Filipinos commits crime in Taiwan will be treated the same and face the consequence.

      • Batman

        We are asking Taiwanese to please STOP POACHING and STEALING!

        We are asking for you to at least convince your countrymen to be sensible and respectful of our poor and ordinary citizens.

        If you think Philippine government is bad enough, spare the people!

      • Kevin

        (1) Taiwan government had already told fishmen not going into Philippines’ 12NM territorial waters.

        (2) There are always people following laws and there are alays people violating laws in ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

        (3) If anyone commits crimes in Philippines, feel free to arrest him, prosecute him, and put him in jail. Just like any Filipinos commits crime in Taiwan will be treated the same and face the consequence.

        (4) BTW, Taiwan actually has much lower crime rate than Philippines.

      • Batman

        1) Taiwan currently ignores the median EEZ that was recognized before Ma’s time. Taiwan merely asked for permission from then Corazon Aquino (in power more than 20 years ago) for passage rights – which was revoked for heavy abuse by the Taiwanese. These are evidence can be used in the United Nations. The recent news reports with pictures taken by ordinary citizens violates the median EEZ and your 12 NM boundaries as the Philippines is overwhelmed by sanctions of Taiwan.

        2) 3) and 4) They are moot, AS WE RELY in YOUR GREATER JUDGEMENT and GREATER CIVILIZATION to be more generous to a poor and third world country such as the Philippines.

        With your GREATER BLESSINGS, we pray that you give us dirty, greater criminal rates, third world country the Philippines PRUDENT and JUST CONSIDERATION to STOP POACHING AND STEALING EXCLUSIVELY BY Taiwan for decades non-stop.

        We plead, we ask humbly; but please do not expect us to kowtow.

      • Kevin

        (1) There was never a fishing agreement regarding the boundary between Taiwan and Philippines, both sides are negotiating currently. Once there is an agreement, I’m sure Taiwan government will ask fishmen to follow.

        (2) Again, Taiwan government had already told fishmen not going into Philippines’ 12NM territorial waters.

        (3) You are using some fishmen’s actions, which are just very very small portion of all Taiwanese to judge civilization. It’s stupid to use small percentage of all population to judge the whole society.

        (4) Philippines has a much worse crime rate than Taiwan, do you see me using that, which is a small percentage of all Philippines population, to call Filipinos uncivilized?

        (5) BTW, it seems like Filipinos really like to use words like uncivilized, uneducated, etc, which is very interesting. Is it really hard to get education in Philippines?

      • Batman

        [This is passage rights not fishing rights. Fishery agreement will only be a win situation for Taiwan as Filipinos are merely artisan fisherfolks.]

        1) Taiwan currently ignores the
        median EEZ that was recognized before Ma’s time. Taiwan merely asked
        for permission from then Corazon Aquino (in power more than 20 years
        ago) for passage rights – which was revoked for heavy abuse by the
        Taiwanese. These are evidence can be used in the United Nations. The
        recent news reports with pictures taken by ordinary citizens violates
        the median EEZ and your 12 NM boundaries as the Philippines is
        overwhelmed by sanctions of Taiwan.

        [We are ignoring your INSULTING AND CONDESCENDING COMMENTS, as we FOCUS ON OPENING UP OUR COMPLAINTS AGAINST TAIWANESE POACHING AND STEALING

        On the Philippine side it affects us greatly as Fishing is a major industry AND TAIWANESE POACHING is AS FAR DOWN SOUTH AS THE VISAYAS.]

        2) 3) and 4) (and now 5) They are moot, AS WE RELY in YOUR GREATER JUDGEMENT and
        GREATER CIVILIZATION to be more generous to a poor and third world
        country such as the Philippines.

        With your GREATER BLESSINGS, we pray that you give us dirty, greater
        criminal rates, third world country the Philippines PRUDENT and JUST
        CONSIDERATION to STOP POACHING AND STEALING EXCLUSIVELY BY Taiwan for
        decades non-stop.

        We plead, we ask humbly; but please do not expect us to kowtow.

      • Kevin

        Obviously you didn’t read before you just copy and paste. Let me also copy and paste too. Since you can’t hold a conversation now and just calling others need better civilization while not acknowledging using small percentage of whole population to judge the whole society is a big failure, let me do the same.

        YOUR POINTS ARE MOOT TOO, see, I can do that too. The discussion was about OFWs. You brought up drug lords, fishing, EEZ into the discussion. Since you are off the topic, YOUR POINTS ARE MOOT.

        While UNCLOS states median line could be used as the boundary, it also states disputed area is based on involved states’ agreement. There was never a fishing agreement between Taiwan and Philippines because Philippines refused to talk previously.

        Of course, since many Filipinos says Taiwan doesn’t sign UNCLOS, so it doesn’t apply to Taiwan. In this case, with UNCLOS doesn’t apply to Taiwan as many Filipinos claimed, why do you keep talking about median line, especially even in UNCLOS it states disputed area is based on involved states agreement?

        ———————————————

        (1) There was never a fishing agreement regarding the boundary between Taiwan and Philippines. both sides are negotiating currently. Once there is an agreement, I’m sure Taiwan government will ask fishmen to follow.

        (2) Again, Taiwan government had already told fishmen not going into Philippines’ 12NM territorial waters.

        (3) You are using some fishmen’s actions, which are just very very small portion of all Taiwanese to judge civilization. It’s stupid to usesmall percentage of all population to judge the whole society.

        (4) Philippines has a much worse crime rate than Taiwan, do you see me using that, which is a small percentage of all Philippines population, to call Filipinos uncivilized?

        (5) BTW, it seems like Filipinos really like to use words like uncivilized, uneducated, etc, which is very interesting. Is it really hard to get education in Philippines?

      • Batman

        I am not calling other need a better civilization please read very well.

        YOU are part of A BETTER CIVILIZATION than US, You are more civilized, less criminality, more education, and greater economic progress than a third world country like PH.

        You have used exclusively defaming, condescending, and insulting words against Filipinos.

        We are simply calling for a stop on

        1. an exclusive poaching and STEALING by Taiwanese industrialized fishing vessels that was observed to happen as far south as the Visayas.
        2. for Filipinos to surrender and stop from working in Taiwan or China as OFWs are helpless diplomatic weapons.

      • Kevin

        (1) Again, The discussion was about OFWs. You brought up drug lords, fishing, EEZ into the discussion first. Since you were off the topic first, YOUR POINTS ARE MOOT. see I do it again just like you did earlier.

        (2) Do you really think voting down my post achieve something? :-)

        (3) As I told you already, Taiwan government had already told fishmen not going into Philippines’ 12NM territorial waters.

        (4) While UNCLOS states median line could be used as the boundary, it also states disputed area is based on involved states’ agreement. There was never a fishing agreement between Taiwan and Philippines because Philippines refused to talk previously.

        (5) Of course, since many Filipinos says Taiwan doesn’t sign UNCLOS, so it doesn’t apply to Taiwan. In this case, with UNCLOS doesn’t apply to Taiwan as many Filipinos claimed, why do you keep talking about median line, especially even in UNCLOS it states disputed area is based on involved states agreement?

        (6) Taiwan and Philippines are negotiating currently. Once it’s done, I’m sure Taiwan government will tell fishmen to follow.

        (7) There are always some people not following laws/rules anywere in the world. Using a small percentage of the population to judge civilization is a big failure.

      • Batman

        1) We are asking our fellow citizens to stop working for Taiwan and China.
        2) We welcome Taiwanese citizens (many communist-era refugees here now) with open arms (I am Filipino-Chinese) but of course if you tug it down to lower levels then we are to remind you of the following which AFFECTS US GREATLY and THEREFORE definitely NOT MOOT to us. If you think it’s moot, so be it according you your own belief that applies to you.
        3) Taiwanese DRUG LORDS no.1 in MANUFACTURING OF ILLEGAL DRUGS.
        ———————————————————————–

        4) Yes, expect I will vote-down your post if needed, as it is allowed and a feature of this forum. :) On the other hand, feel free to do as you please as per our rights in this forum.
        ————————————————————————

        5) As for your UNCLOS issue, we have to work it out with China firstly as per our ONE-CHINA-POLICY.
        6) We had a “traditional and respectful median EEZ” with previous Taiwanese administrations, we are now reminding you of it. Of course sooner WE WILL NEED SOMETHING OFFICIAL it will be for CHINA and CHINA alone (BEIJING) to determine for you.

        7) YOUR INSULTS ARE WELCOME (for the consideration of your own personal comfort) as you have been very condescending to Filipinos in general. Obviously we praise your higher learning, advance culture.
        8) Nonetheless we ask your Taiwanese DRUG LORDS, ILLEGAL BUSINESSES, and POACHING AND STEALING for DECADES to stop.

        and most of all (and again)

        We give way to our friends, Indonesians for more work in Taiwan – and ultimately less for Filipinos as Taiwan use OFWs as weapons of aggressive diplomacy. :)

      • Kevin

        (1) Hey, I can vote down your post too. But somehow I don’t feel that I achieve anything like you. Maybe it’s very important for Filipinos to vote down a post.

        (2) Taiwan government had already asked fishmen not going into Phiilppines’ 12NM territorial waters.

        (3) No matter what excuse you use, there was no fishing agreement between Taiwan and Philippines. While UNCLOS states median line could be used as the boundary, it also states disputed area is based on involved states’ agreement. Of course, you can continue to play Taiwan-did-not-sign-UNCLOS-game like I played earlier.

        (4) Taiwan government of course doesn’t allow anything violates laws/rules. There are always some people not following laws/rules anywere in the world. Using a small percentage of the population to judge civilization is a big failure.

        (5) If anyone commits crimes in Philippines, feel free to arrest him, prosecute him, and put him in jail. Just like any Filipinos commits crime in Taiwan will be treated the same and face the consequence.

        (6) Insult? Look back this thread and check who started to talk off-topic and who started to call others’ points are moot. The discussion was about OFWs. You brought up drug lords, fishing, EEZ into the discussion first. Since you were off the topic first, YOUR POINTS ARE MOOT. see I do it again just like you did earlier.

        (7) I told you before, it’s a good thing that there are less and less OFWs in Taiwan. You will need to put a better effort though since there are still many Filipinos line up to apply for work permit

      • Batman

        1) Oh please do it (or not) is ENTIRELY UP TO YOU as it is a FEATURE to EXPRESS a FORM OF OPINION. Don’t take it personally. :) But don’t even try to prevent people as it is there for easy clicking. hehe Proof of you “generalizing Filipinos” I am a member of other forums in AU, CA, JPN, and USA – non-Filipinos vote down too, in fact non-Filipinos invented the feature. :p

        2) I HAVE NEVER SAID of ANY FISHING AGREEMENT. I said Taiwan merely (before the Ma administration) asked permission from then President Corazon Aquino for rights which were eventually revoked because of abuse by Taiwanese. Take it or leave it it is a fact. ;)

        3). We tried to have “an official” arrangement with Taiwan. But the Chinese embassy (BEIJING) reminded us out-of-the-blue of our country’s one-China-policy. So we don’t play games, we adhere to policy. This is fact and a special request of Beijing, so Taiwan’s UNCLOS issue must be taken up if YOU WANT it “OFFICIALLY” under the participation of Beijing.

        4) What judgement of civilization? It was you who constantly generalize, demean and insults Filipinos. We only have praises for YOUR OWN higher culture and learning.

        5) Let me be clear. Taiwanese aggressive diplomacy affected us greatly, and I therefore point out all items again (ILLEGAL DRUGS, ILLEGAL BUSINESSES, POACHING and STEALING for DECADES). Fishery is a great part of our food supply and is a heavy burden on our part. You are the one who always pointed out your superior ways and high education we only accept your insults.

        If I had declared things moot, does it moot your insults? Obviously no. This time all items that hurt us and our nation will be always up for reminding you and included in the discussion. :)

        Again UNCLOS issue will be tied up to the rightful owner of Taiwan, China (who happens to be a signatory).

      • Kevin

        (1) Again, you started to talk off-topic and started to make insults first. If you tone it down, I’ll talk nicely as earlier with you. Your call.

        (2) For the problems like drug lords, fishmen going into Philippines’ 12NM territorial waters, etc, I told you many times that these are the things Taiwan government doesn’t allow. You keep using it as an insult to Taiwanese and called Taiwanese need greater civilization. As I said, it’s stupid to use small percentage of the population to call out the whole society.

        (3) You brought up median line first before talking about passage agreement (which was off-topic too). Now you pretend you were talking about passage agreement but not median line.

        (4) there was no fishing agreement between Taiwan and Philippines. While UNCLOS states median line could be used as the boundary, it also states disputed area is based on involved states’ agreement. No matter what excuse you used, it doesn’t change the fact there is no fishing agreement.

      • Batman

        1) We have only praises for your higher economic standing, higher education, and higher civilization. We only welcome your insults. Where in my posts did I insult you or Taiwan? Do not confuse GRIEVANCES (my argument) with INSULTS (that you did). We are weaker as one Taiwanese official said “DO NOT FEAR WAR WITH PHILIPPINES, WE HAVE 26 WARSHIPS. ONLY 1 OF THEM CAN DESTROY THE ENTIRE PHILIPPINES.” So don’t begrudge us of simple complaints as we are weak and defenseless.

        2) Obviously my appeal IS NOT ONLY TO THE TAIWAN GOVERNMENT, but TO TAIWANESE CITIZENS too. It is a humble appeal, not forcing people – provided by my rights of FREE SPEECH.

        3) Expect that – Median Line, previous Passage Agreement (with Cory Aquino and past Taiwanese administration) will ALWAYS BE INCLUDED IN MY DISCUSSION with TAIWAN and PHILIPPINES together in a news report. You DO NOT prevent what I include or not for PH and TW combined issues, I CHOOSE TO.

        4) THERE is NO FISHERY AGREEMENT and our stand is NOT TO HAVE ONE as Taiwanese have been EXPLOITING, POACHING, and STEALING on a scale that is OVERWHELMINGLY advantageous to Taiwanese industry.

      • Kevin

        (1) keep spinning, I’ll play the game. Your appeal have been heard, but you will need to talk to the people you accused, drug lord, some of the fishmen, etc, instead of the whole Taiwanese society. Few people’s actions aren’t others responsibility. It may be government’s responsibility, but as I told you, Taiwan government doesn’t allow drug dealing or fishing going into Philippines’ 12NM territorial waters.

        Again, it’s stupid to use small percentage of the population to call out the whole society.

        (2) Of course, I can’t prevent you from talking anything. But it doesn’t mean you weren’t off-topic from the original discussion. It also doesn’t mean that I can’t correct you or point you where you pretend you didn’t say or do. After all, it’s my right of FREE SPEECH.

        (3) No matter what excuse you used, there was no fishing agreement between Taiwan and Philippines. While UNCLOS states median line could be used as the boundary, it also states disputed area is based on involved states’ agreement. No matter what excuse you used, it can’t change the fact there is no fishing agreement.

      • Batman

        1) The weak (we) don’t play games, in this forum we argue for our survival.

        2). Good to know that you understand that you can “act or play” as moderator, but in reality only issue counter-arguments.

        3) No matter what you insist there is an agreement between Cory Aquino and Taiwan for rights, and it is now public document which you can view and request for from Malacanang Palace. Median line exists but is a concept many are not aware of and MY PERSONAL GOAL IS FOR PEOPLE TO START TALKING ABOUT IT (a goal achieved with your help hehe). Taiwan has no rights about official UNCLOS business as CHINA has already “REMINDED” us that they OWN TAIWAN. Taiwan can ask China, if they agree then we can do business. :)

      • Kevin

        (1) Good, you now understand it’s stupid to use small percentage of the population to call out the whole society.

        (2) I never “act” as moderator, stop making false accusation again. I simply point you that you were off topic from the original discussion and where you pretend you didn’t say or do. That’ my right of FREE SPEECH.

        (3) I never dispute the passing agreement, do you see I ever said that?

        What I dispute is there is no fishing agreement between Taiwan and Philippines and, while median line concept exists, it’s not forced by UNCLOS. While UNCLOS states median line could be used as the boundary, it also states disputed area is based on involved states’ agreement.

      • Batman

        1) Correction! Our RESPECTFUL but STRAIGHT FORWARD grievances is addressed to ALL TAIWANESE CITIZENS HERE and ABROAD through free speech in the arena of democracy that Filipinos and Taiwanese are both in.

        Don’t worry, we will not do any insults like you have been doing a long time against Filipinos.

        2) and 3) Yes! Thank you for confirming that information. :)

      • Kevin

        (1) First, I only play the insult game when Filipinos insults Taiwanese. Check my posts. When you looked like you wanted a real discussion, I didn’t insult you like you later did. Stop pretending all Filipinos are respectful to Taiwanese.

        (2) Good, then stop using median line as it’s the rule forced by UNCLOS. Of course, you can keep saying since it’s your freedom, and it’s also my freedom to correct you. You had said many times Taiwan violates median line when it’s actually not forced by UNCLOS.

      • Batman

        1) Thank you for admitting all your faults. You don’t need to do that as we can always accept your insults.

        2) NO! WE ARE NOT stopping in discussing MEDIAN LINE and all related things. I humbly beg your pardon. :)

      • Kevin

        (1) You mean the faults like many Filipinos did. Then sure, thank you for admitting all your faults too and your countrymen’s faults.

        (2) Sure, like I said, it’s your freedom, just like it’s my freedom to correct you.

      • Batman

        1) Thank you very much. We have nothing but praises for your good economic condition, your higher level of learning, and your better crime rates.

        2) Thank you very much for recognizing our freedom of speech. Thank you very much for stopping in acting or attempting to play like you were in authority or a moderator of this forum, when you are not. JUST A SMALL CORRECTION, I was the one who reminded you to respect the freedom of speech of other people. :) hehe

      • Kevin

        Again, stop making false accusation. I never “act” like a moderator. I simply correct you when you said something wrong or point to you where you pretend you never said or did. If you feel hurt when being corrected, you will need to learn to accept it.

        And thank you for even acknowledging I also have freedom of speech when I correct you.

      • Batman

        Sorry I don’t agree. :) I reminded you because you attempted to control what I say and insulted us when I did not. Just try to be a responsible and respectful commentator next time. ;)

        We accept our faults and give credit where credit is due. Better luck next time.

      • Kevin

        If you feel you are hurt when I correct you that you said something wrong, when I remind you that you talked something off topic from the original discussion about OFWs, and when I point you that you pretend you didn’t said or do something, it’s your own business. I have my right of free speech too. Learn how to accept being corrected next time.

        And between our conversation, I wasn’t the one starting the insults first. You jumped in when I was talking to another Filipino. You later started insulting and using small percentage of the population to call out the whole society. Anyway, your apology is accepted.

      • Kevin

        Where did you see I go against you because others’ comments? It’s actually you who have problems with my comments to others and jump in.

        I also reject any accusation and affirm that between the two of us you are exclusively doing insults.

        Between our conversation, you are the one starting insulting and using small percentage of the population to call out the whole society.

      • Batman

        Nope sorry clear insults are coming from you. Do not mistake grievances from your kind of insults.

        Also blame the responsible individuals that you said were doing it.

        Also please know the features and commentary design of Disqus dot com so that you don’t blame other people with your own mistakes. Ignorance of this is not an excuse.

      • Kevin

        Nope sorry clear insults are coming from you. Do not mistake correcting you and reminding you off topic from original discussion as insults. I am different from other commentators.

        I’m not sure what features you’re referring to, voting down?

      • Batman

        I am sure in due time you will be able to familiarize and know how to operate this discussion arena so that you won’t cause problems for yourself in the future. :)

        Stop insulting and of course stop blaming others, especially for your own mistakes.

      • Kevin

        I am sure too in due time you will be able to familiarize and know how to operate this discussion arena so that you won’t cause problems for yourself in the future. :)

        I am also sure you will learn not to feel hurt when being corrected by others.

      • Batman

        Copying my posts in succession means you agree to the thought. Hehe.

        As a closing remark.
        1. Filipinos must give way for other nationals such as our friends Indonesians to get jobs in Taiwan.
        2. Filipinos must avoid Taiwan as, Taiwan’s government is using poor and defenseless OFWs as tools for blackmailing and aggressive one-sided diplomacy and pressure.
        3. We must campaign hard against fishery deals with Taiwan as Taiwan’s industrialized fishing capability will be disadvantageous to small scale artisan Filipino fisherfolk.
        4. Taiwanese citizens must STOP DECADES of POACHING and STEALING.
        5. Taiwan must respect and consider previous agreements, most notable is the agreement with the Corazon Aquino government.
        6. Taiwanese must not randomly target innocent and defenseless OFWs especially those who were injured in Taiwan during the height of the Balintang Channel crisis.

      • Kevin

        you are wrong as always. It means you kept making false accusation with no base and failed to have a rational conversation. Want to play? let’s play the same game you are playing now:

        Since you didn’t make another false accusation about me, you must agree what you did was wrong and it’s your way to apologize to me. Hehe.

        Oh, and YOUR APOLOGY IS ACCEPTED.

        For 5 and 6, you are using small percentage of population to call out the whole society again. As I told you earlier, it’s a big failure.

        Of course, you much feel hurt again being corrected one more time. Keep being a crybaby that when others correct you, you cry so hard and complain others act like a moderator because others correct you and point you your own mistakes.

        By your logic of using small percentage of pupulation to call out the whole society: Filipinos must STOP BEING CRYBABIES.

      • Batman

        No apologies for you. TAIWANESE COMPLAINS of FILIPINO GRIEVANCES against TAIWAN (in forums with mere words) when it is TAIWAN who affected REAL RETALIATORY SANCTIONS TO ALL FILIPINOS as A SOCIETY (affecting real life destroying livelihoods).

        STOP YOUR INSULTING OF FILIPINOS!
        TAIWAN MUST STOP CALLING AND PUNISHING THE WHOLE SOCIETY for the SINS OF THE FEW FILIPINOS!

        TAIWAN MUST STOP JUDGING FILIPINOS AS A WHOLE NATION/RACE/CIVIL SOCIET FOR

        1. ECONOMIC SANCTIONS that affected ALL Filipinos.
        1.1. NATIONWIDE FOREIGN INVESTMENT AFFECTED whole Philippine society!
        1.2. TOURISM AFFECTED whole Philippine society!
        1.3. OFW ban AFFECTED whole Philippine society!
        2. STEALING and POACHING for DECADES that affected ALL Filipinos.
        3. NO.1. ILLEGAL DRUGS MANUFACTURING THAT SUPPLIES all PLACES, ISLANDS, and PROVINCES that AFFECTS ALL FILIPINOS!

      • Rejenal Pang

        sex slavery country

        hahaha

      • warillaman

        he,he,he, and your country of your blood is slaves of their commie masters,he,he,he,he,

      • Rejenal Pang

        not like the Pygmy slaves of the Spanish

        U know what is the Spanish tradition whenever they conquer
        kill all the man rape all the woman young and old

        what is the meaning of Pygmy in Spanish If U don’t know I can tell U
        little negro

      • ynigooctaviano

        Urinal Pangit, likba ka na. Wawa ka naman. out of place ka sa pinas.

      • ynigooctaviano

        Rejenal pangit, go get a real job. dehins ka marunong magsalita ng noypi. wiwi ka na sa kadiliman.

      • Rejenal Pang

        tell marillaman he is on dole

      • Batman

        We are open to giving more for our friends the Indonesians.

        Look bro, the point is the Taiwanese and Chinese government uses defenseless and innocent workers as pawns and tools for diplomacy and military tactics.

        There are a lot of Taiwanese citizens defended Filipino OFWs from the policies of the Ma government.

        The only recourse is for Filipinos to stop going there eventually. The Ma government is strong and resistant to even the calls of influential and concerned Taiwanese citizens that are helping poor and defenseless Filipino workers.

        Again, Indonesians are are friends we happily give way to them.

      • Rejenal Pang

        Indonesians are Muslims and they don’t like christian just like U don’t like Muslims

        Philippines discriminate Indonesian being Muslims and not English spoken even with the same background

      • Batman

        Wrong.

        Indonesians are our closest friend in the ASEAN. The people even prefer Indonesians over Malaysians. A close family friend of President Aquino III is the Sultan of Johor, a Malaysian.

        We have many brothers in the Armed Forces of the Philippines that are Tausug, adherents of the Sultan of Sulu.

        Our best known Senators are related to the Sultan of Sulu, they are the the Rasuls.

        Everywhere there is tension with religion as it is in North-Western China.

      • ynigooctaviano

        Rejenal pangit, tingnan mo ang mukha mo sa mirror. Your ancestor was a slave. go get a real job not a 50 cents before it is too late. likba ka na sa sweatshop factory sa taipei.

  • gill

    PH was pardoned.

  • Batman

    Please convince your relatives and friends to stop from applying to Taiwan or China.

    There are many Taiwanese businessmen and citizens who have defended Filipinos and tried to stop the Ma government from using OFWs as a tool for pressuring the PH diplomatically. We thank you for these good Taiwanese citizens.

    BUT THE PROBLEM IS MA GOVERNMENT USES OFWs as TOOLS.

    Please stop from applying to TAIWAN and CHINA. We welcome our Indonesian friends to take over as they are resistant from any blackmail or diplomatic pressure due to non-adjacent borders.

    • ynigooctaviano

      Our Indonesian neighbors will bear the brunt of this Ma govt.

    • gill

      did you eat anything today ?
      anything for gill to eat, spiritually ?

      • warillaman

        retard foods you have a lot to eat, mongoloid, he,he,he,he,

      • Rejenal Pang

        what food U pygmy talking about 250 yrs ago still don’t know how to lid a fire did U heard of any Philippines restaurant

      • warillaman

        go to blacktown idiot, and you have chinks restaurants that cook msg gooks food chink, he,he,he,

      • Rejenal Pang

        so U live in Sydney west that cheap crap area just suit U
        there is couple of philippines shop in main street they are really dirty and disgusting

      • ynigooctaviano

        Rejenal pangit, ang PANGIT mo talaga. likba ka na sa sweatshop factories sa taipei really dirty and disgusting.

  • gill

    to forgive criminals isn’t unusual in China.
    decent people don’t kill criminals without a reason, let alone an innocent fisherman.
    in fact, no civilized nation will do killings without authorized orders.

    • warillaman

      he,he,he, like what they did in tien ann mein square, hundreds died, mowed down just expressing their freedom, and that was authorized, more like criminal to me than that chink who was hit by a stray bullet, shooting at a boat who is trying ram my coastguard, I think it is justified, the blame should be in that captain of that boat who did the stupid act. retard chink.

    • Popskief

      NOBODY IS INNOCENT LET ALONE THE DECEASED
      It takes two to tango as they say. Under PH Law the deceased was POACHING in our EEZ. Not innocent.
      As for the authorized ORDER you said, the video, watch again and hear the audio, the order can be heard, USE WHATEVER MEANS TO DISABLE THE SHIP, Disable was the word used not KILL.

      • gill

        “NOBODY IS INNOCENT”

        is that true ? you can sue the gov at UN.

      • Popskief

        TRUE. The deceased was a THIEF of PH marine resources.
        Have u not read the investigation report accepted by your government? The PH may file a POACHING case against those occupants of the Taiwanese vessel.
        Nobody is innocent. Get your facts straight.

      • gill

        I am not arguing with you, a Filipino, of what happens in PH.

        but, what I am trying to help you is that you have basic right to sue your govt at UN for human right violation.

        “NOBODY IS INNOCENT”, that is a big crime.

      • Popskief

        You lost me Gill???

      • gill

        is that true ? where can you be found ?

  • warillaman

    filipinos, don’t be another pawn by this retarded chinks in taiwan, they will use you again the next time, right now, they are ordering us to give them freedom to fish in our waters, don’t work in retarded taiwan, the world is there for us and they always accept us because we can do the job.

  • neverwint3r

    you can’t blame them going to taiwan, these ofws are working abroad to feed their families and better their future. with 15% of the population working as ofws and contributing almost a third to the nation’s gdp, they are mostly the only reason why the country stays afloat.

    as long as the phils. continues to lag behind as sick man of asia, the situations not going to change for a long time. as long as pinoys continues to tolerate corrupt officials, political dynasties, and vote for celebrities and traditional politicians in government, if filipinos tolerate their leaders using pork barrel for their personal greed, this situation’s not going to change for centuries to come.

  • Cano Manuel

    SO WHY DO WE STILL KEEP SENDING PEOPLE TO TAIWAN?

    • ynigooctaviano

      Close down the Taiwan Economic Exploitation Office. That is the first step.

  • PinoyNYC10128

    >>>>…Taiwan open to OFWs again…<<<<<

    NEWSFLASH:…"BALINTANG CHANNEL, OPEN TO TAIWANESE POACHERS AGAIN"

  • pepito gwaps

    No choice yong iba sa atin kundi mag ofw sa Taiwan. Kulang na kulang investors dito sa atin kaya kulang ang mga trabahong may desenteng pasweldo. Kaya kulang investors dito sa atin ay marami sa kanila ang natatakot na malugi at mapinsala. Kasalanan ng mga pasaway na rebelde at mga terrorista sa bansa at mga kurakot sa gobyerno iyan kaya kelangan mo pang maghanap ng trabaho sa ibang bansa. Ayan sunod sunod na bombahan sa Mindanao sino ngayong investors ang gustong maglagay ng perang malaki para kumita kung ganyan paligid mo.
    Ay sorry, Meron pa rin pala kahit kunti yong gumagawa ng bullet proof vest at funeraria to name a few.

  • Batman

    I appeal again to our Filipino citizens to stop your families, friends, and acquaintances from going to work in Taiwan.

    Taiwan government has used our OFWs as pawns in blackmailng and tools in aggressive diplomacy against the Philippines.

    We request concerned and good Taiwanese citizens to dissuade your fellow citizens to stop from conducting:
    1) Illegal, poaching and stealing (DECADES with high economic loss for Filipinos)
    2) Illegal drugs manufacturing (DECADES Taiwanese no. 1 in illegal drugs in the Philippines)
    3) Illegal businesses
    4) Hurting our innocent and defenseless OFWs in Taiwan.

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