Sulu sultan meets with CBCP head

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Sultan of Sulu Jamalul Kiram III gestures during an interview by Malaysian journalist in his residence in Maharlika Village in Taguig City INQUIRER FILE PHOTO

MANILA, Philippines—The titular head of the Sultanate of Sulu, who had ordered 200 of his followers to occupy a village in Sabah to assert their ancestral land claim to the resource-rich region, met with the head of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines on Monday afternoon.

Sultan Jamalul Kiram III arrived at the CBCP offices shortly before 3 p.m. Monday for a meeting with CBCP officials led by its president Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma.

Kiram was accompanied by Pastor Boy Saycon, a known political advocate and activist who has expressed sympathy for the cause of the sultanate.

An estimated 60 of Kiram’s followers have reportedly died in the Malaysian government’s assault on the Sabah intruders. Kiram’s brother, Agbimuddin Kiram, who has been leading the sultanate’s followers in their occupation of a Sabah village, is still being hunted by Malaysia’s security troops.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/justone.sin JustOne Sin

    Where is Vlad The Impaler? Kinda miss his thing around here……

    • DnKy

      pwned.. he has been..
      that pinoy nigga says crap is a game of dice etc..
      just call him crap impaler, that would make his day.

  • misuari playboy

    yeah vlad where have you been up to man? drunk again huh?

  • pasaway008ako

    after all those killings and all palabra de palabas, the sultan of sultanates talked to the CBCP? That was their mistake. They should had done that before invading Sabah in the first place. Now,done is done, Disaster and tragedy had happened. Do you think the Sabahans want to joins Phil? With all the corruptions going on in the Phil, why would they agree that Sabah would be under Phil Gov’t? You are joking! I don’t blame them if they choose to be under the Malaysian Gov’t.

    • http://www.facebook.com/justone.sin JustOne Sin

      Funny thing is, this is not about the Philippines claim. It’s about Jamalul Kiram III’s desire that costs precious human lives and will affect thousands others.

    • PurpleDaisy13

      Orly Dizo, the fact is, there is NO SOLID EVIDENCE to prove Sabahans chose to be under the Malaysian government in 1963.

      • AnakSabah

        You are right.

        There are so many solid evidences that Sabahan wants Kiram as our Sultan. We love him so much. Ask any Sabahan, they will be happy to tell you that.

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “You are right”

        Thank you. Being righteous and returning that of which has been stolen is the only course of justice.

        But it’s not necessarily about being under a Sultan. As long as the Sultan of Sulu is receiving the fair market value of his land for leasing it to the governance of another country, there should be peace.

        For example, the Sultan of Sulu can lease his land to our United States and you can enjoy the protection of the most powerful military in the World with easier access to becoming a US Citizen under the greatest Superpower in the World AnakSabah.

        Forget Malaysian Monarchy of slavery under the communist rulership of your King. Democracy is the new world trend that shall grant you all the basic rights and freedoms all people should be given.

        Imagine being able to vote for your leaders instead of currently not having any opportunity to vote for your King or Prime Minister….your chains of imprisonment shall be broken in exchange for your freedom AnakSabah.

        Our United States doesn’t whip your people with a stick until your butt flesh and blood spill either in the middle of the public for all to witness your embarrassment and torture. That would be inhumane here in the US AnakSabah; being part of America means being more civilized.

      • AnakSabah

        - The market value of “kiram’s land” was determined not by him, you and me. It was determined by the real Sultan of Sulu (no direct relationship with this Kiram guy) hundred of years ago with a North Borneo Co. based on a quantum only known to him for as long as ‘there are the moon and the sun’. In fact, the British Colonial Govt stopped the payment. The American Administration who ruled the Philippines at that time did not bother at all.

        – Communism is totally banned in Malaysia as well as in Singapore since the British colonial time and today.

        – Malaysian in general, Sabahan like me in particular do not have to imagine how democracy work. We have been voting based on British Parliamentary System in the last 12 General Elections since Independence. In Sabah, we changed government many times.

        – We choose British Parliamentary System of Government, not American System. I reserve my comments on US Govt activities around the world, be it in the Philippines, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

        -I know how inhumane in the US for those victims of Hurricane Katrina, Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment and so forth.

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “The market value of “kiram’s land” was determined not by him, you and me.”

        AnakSabah, it doesn’t matter who determined the original market value of the lease payments in 1878. The fact is renting North Borneo (Sabah) today for $141 a month is a joke when in fact North Borneo (Sabah) today is rich in Gold and Oil equivalent to more than $6,200,000,000 (billion) A YEAR.

        When Malaysia decided to take on the illegal agreement from the British Crown in 1963, it would have been appropriate to involve such transition with the Sultan of Sulu in order to discuss, agree, and revise the lease payments under Fair Market Value in 1963 at least.

        Instead Malaysian lying-thieves like you figured not to communicate with the Sultan of Sulu and just continue to rob them while paying just $141 a month.

        So don’t try to manipulate our discussion with the Fair Market Value based on 1878 AnakSabah, Malaysian lying-thieves like yourself can’t get away with deceiving us here.

        re: “Communism is totally banned in Malaysia as well as in Singapore since the British colonial time and today.”

        The fact that you don’t have the RIGHTS to vote and elect your OWN King and Prime Minister, leaders of your nation, suggest that your governance is still a form of Communism in itself – the dictatorship of a single ruler, your Malaysian king.

        Commonly known in your country as the Supreme Ruler, Paramount Ruler, Supreme Head of State, Federal Head of State, your Yang di-Pertuan Agong….isn’t this true AnakSabah? Yes

        Thus, that IS NOT Democracy and you’re a closet-Communist AnakSabah.

        re: “We choose British Parliamentary System of Government, not American System.”

        Just as you HAVE NO RIGHTS to choose your King and Prime Minister, YOU ALSO HAVE NO RIGHTS to choose your method of governance AnakSabah. Don’t try to pretend you have such choices in your communist Malaysia AnakSabah, you cannot deceive us.

        Whatever your king wants, you must obey because you’re just a slave and have no power to vote and elect your own King AnakSabah.

        re: “I know how inhumane in the US for those victims of Hurricane Katrina”

        Your Malaysian country is so well known for lack of human rights that even your own government harasses your leading Human Rights groups SUARAM in Malaysia:

        “The leading human-rights organization in Malaysia is Suara Rakyat Malaysia (SUARAM). On September 17, 2012, several dozen international human-rights groups issued a joint press release protesting what they described as “the Malaysian government’s ongoing harassment” of SUARAM”

        Look in the mirror AnakSabah, and remember your childhood in Malaysia by viewing these videos:


        01. youtube,com/watch?v=cebPMy3_qOI
        02. youtube,com/watch?v=48SMcWYJkQQ
        03. youtube,com/watch?v=JI5WMmWQzI4
        04. liveleak,com/view?i=5ab_1172940415
        05. youtube,com/watch?v=gKuOCDtTGC0

        Did your Malaysian parents beat your a$$ back in the days with their bare hands or did they use mini “canning” version of instruments AnakSabah?

        hahahahahahaahahhaahHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

      • AnakSabah

        -“..renting North Borneo (Sabah) today for $141 a month is a joke.” Indeed, but we are not complaining. The British Govt did protest at that time and stopped the payment. The American Administration of the Philippines couldn’t care less as they never recognized the Sulu Sultanate.

        – British Colonial Administration made arrangement to give independence to her colonies and carved out a plan called ‘Malaysia’ without consulting the Sulu Sultanate because the latter was not recognized by its counterpart, the US. Malaysia did not exist at that time yet, but the British did consult her colonies. US did not veto her plan to form Malaysia at UN.

        – As I said earlier, Malaysia adopts a Constitutional Monarchy Parliamentary System based on British’s Constitutional Monarchy Parliamentary System where the King (in Britain, the current Queen Elizabeth) is the Head of the country, not elected by the people. It is accepted by UN.

        – We choose our Prime Minister, like in Britain, based on which party lead the majority during a General Election. It is accepted by UN.

        – The Parliament is the highest political institution lead by elected representatives. The King does not rule Parliament, like in Britain too, but just a figurehead for ceremonial purposes. The King is not the ruler of Malaysia, its the Parliament. Even if the King does not want to sign a bill, after 3 months, the Parliament will pass and gazetted it as a Law. Got it?

        – Again as I said, Communism and whatever form it takes is declared illegal in Malaysia. It is banned in totality. Some attempts had been made in the past to infuse Communist ideology in worker unions and student organizations, all failed.

        – My right is through my vote. So far, I have no problem with that. Why you are not happy with me when I can choose whoever I like?

        – I do not vote to elect my King. British people do not vote for their Queen/King either. So far so good. If I can’t be a King, then I am his slave. I guess so if that’s how you would like to think. A slave is someone who has been denied basic rights like, wages, can’t own properties and protections like the early Negro slaves in the US. Perhaps, you can help me from slavery of my ‘Dictatorial King’.
        – My parents were strict and hardworking as all slaves parents do. They beat me all right from time to time by bare hands and rattan cane like in the videos. You can see all scars on my a$$. I did lodge a complain to the UN for child abuse and SUARAM how a slave boy like me was treated badly by my parents and the government which is ruled by the Dictatorial King too. Now, I beat all my children with canes. I love doing it. It’s fun. Practise makes perfect, you know.

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “”..renting North Borneo (Sabah) today for $141 a month is a joke.” Indeed, but we are not complaining.”

        Thank you for admitting and recognizing the INJUSTICE being committed AnakSabah. You lose and I rest my case.

        That’s all that really matters to help you realize your guilt and immorality you and your Malaysian country is being criticized for which is also the root of all these problems 50 years later.

      • AnakSabah

        Thank to you too PurpleDaisy13.

        – I don’t feel guilty at all as I have not committed any sin to you. Perhaps you should have extract some confessions from Spain and the US for that matter. I am sure they will feel guilty if they lead Christian way of life.

        – Past injustice was committed by past Sulu Sultan, British, Spain and the US, not me. Malaysia was not born yet at that time.

        – Malaysia was created by UN Charter based on Geo-political realities at that time. UN is a political body, not a moral-religious institution like the Vatican, so its decision is purely political.
        – Lastly, we never view Sabah claim as the root of these problems in the last 50 years. It is one of the problems, no doubt. The Sulu armed intrusion in Lahad Datu is one of the three armed terrorist activities ever attempted in Malaysia in the last 50 years; the others being the Communist Insurgency and Al-Munah Islamic Extremists. All three were defeated and faced justice with capital punishments.

        – Initially, Human Rights Groups criticised the way we handled Communist terrorist and Muslim Extremists. After 911, US sent its Special Forces to learn from Malaysian experience in handling terrorism. Last week, the British sent condolences to our Armed Forces killed in Lahad Datu incidences. But, we had to kindly turned down their military assistance.

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “I don’t feel guilty at all as I have not committed any sin to you.”

        AnakSabah, you have already revealed and agreed that Malaysia paying $141 a month to rent North Borneo (Sabah) is indeed inappropriately inadequate and unfair:

        Indeed, but we are not complaining.” – AnakSabah

        Wasn’t that your reply above AnakSabah? Yes

        And did you admit that someone should complain and object to such injustice and unfairness? Yes

        In other words, you have admitted that it is indeed inappropriately inadequate, unfair, with such injustice that someone should do something about it. While ironically, YOU and all the Malaysian lying-thieves won’t complain because YOU ARE the party only paying $141 a month to rent which is inappropriately inadequate and unfair AnakSabah.

        You try to suppress your guilt but you have already expressed to everyone here that such injustice should be objected. Just give up AnakSabah, you’ve failed to defend yourself.

        re: “Malaysia was created by UN Charter based on Geo-political realities at that time. UN is a political body, not a moral-religious institution like the Vatican, so its decision is purely political.”

        And NO, the United Nations is not in the business of creating nations AnakSabah, the UN purpose is to promote peace. So the UN NEVER created Malaysia as you ignorantly believe.

        It was the British Crown that dominated Malaya, North Borneo (Sabah), and Singapore prior to 1963. And when the new International Law of “decolonization” had been enacted in 1960, the British Crown had no choice but to relinquish all of their colonies.

        As a result, the British invented and created Malaysia through the union of all their dominated territories Malaya, North Borneo (Sabah), and Singapore, including Sarawak.

        re: “Lastly, we never view Sabah claim as the root of these problems in the last 50 years. It is one of the problems, no doubt.”

        That’s because you’re the ignorant type of Malaysian lying-thief AnakSabah.

        Meanwhile, many Malaysian lying-thieves here are more familiar with the Cobbold Commission which was a sample survey in 1962 that was brought about from a territorial conflict over North Borneo (Sabah) that surfaced between the British, Indonesia, and the Philippines.

        And you can’t seem to make the connection that this was the root of the problem – the Sultan of Sulu only agreed to rent his land to the British North Borneo Company, and not to some new country called Malaysia.

        Just give up AnakSabah, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • AnakSabah

        - I don’t feel guilty at all, nor make any attempt to suppress my guilt. The reason is because I was never the party to sign the contract hundred of years ago. The past Sultan must have his own reason and wisdom for doing such a thing. You were not the Sultan and I was not the European man negotiating the deal. It’s history. Today, we may not be feeling happy as victims of injustice, but past treaty like this one and many others ought to be honored and respected in one way or the other.

        – Let me paraphrase my statement to avoid misunderstanding. Malaysia IS NOT a ‘natural’ state like Malaya, India, Thailand etc. Pakistan is a political state, born out of sociopolitical conflicts, similarly like Bangladesh, Isreal, Taiwan etc. Malaysia is a political state which does not exist 50 years ago. Like all political state, it was created by UN Charter. That is the reason China can not reclaim Taiwan as UN has to approve it.

        Who were behind the creation of Malaysia? Members of the UN, esp the British, with majority votes. Without the UN votes, Malaysia will not exist. Period.

        – Without UN, South Sudan -a new political state- will not exist. Timor Leste and many many more.

        -“And you can’t seem to make the connection that this was the root of the problem – the Sultan of Sulu only agreed to rent his land to the British North Borneo Company, and not to some new country called Malaysia.”
        Originally, it was. That was the same British company who transferred its rights to British Crown Govt at some point in time and it was that same British govt that stopped making payment to Sulu Sultan. As the Sultan was long dead, his heirs made claim demanding payment. As it was a private family claim, the American Administration did not care about it bearing in mind after the last Sultan was dead, the American did not recognize any more Sultan.
        Both the British and the American did not recognize any sultan. So, the claim was relegated as family matters.
        After the British left Malaysia, Malaysian Govt decided to continue making payment after the court case as we both respect the court decision and the heirs. Again, IT WAS A COURT DECISION, like the ORIGINAL treaty signed hundred of years ago, we have to respect and honor them.

        – I think the Malaysian Govt will honor its commitment once ICJ and UN make its final decision, whatever it is. Once, that decision is passed in the Malaysian Parliament with majority votes, it will be settled for the goodness of all. Until then, nothing will change.

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “Who were behind the creation of Malaysia? Members of the UN, esp the British, with majority votes. Without the UN votes, Malaysia will not exist. Period.”

        Wrong.

        Again, the UN DOES NOT create States, is not in the business of creating States, and DID NOT create Malaysia.

        In 1963, the UN acted merely as a “supposedly” unbiased 3rd party to help relieve tensions and territorial conflicts and disagreements between British, Indonesia, and Philippines.

        Was it the UN’s idea to form Malaysia by combining Malaya, Sabah, SIngapore, and Sarawak? No.

        If I write a song and submit my lyrics to the US Copyright Office, does that mean the US Copyright Office created the lyrics and my song? No

        Thus, you CAN blame the UN General-Secretary of 1963, Pantanaw U Thant, for conducting a biased assessment, BUT you CANNOT accuse the UN for creating Malaysia AnakSabah.

        re: “That was the same British company who transferred its rights to British Crown Govt at some point in time”

        That point in time was 1936 in which:

        (a) The Lease Payments had ceased, constituting as a Breach of the 1878 Lease Agreement between the British North Borneo Company and the Sultan of Sulu.

        (b) The British North Borneo Company no longer wanted to hold the territory in favor of the British Crown, also constituting as a Breach of the 1878 Lease Agreement between the British North Borneo Company and the Sultan of Sulu.

        The British Crown and/or Malaysia is supposed to negotiate new terms upon establishing a new agreement between different parties to negotiate a legitimate lease agreement. Instead, the State of Great Britain and Malaysia stepped in place of the British North Borneo Company fraudulently for an agreement originally and only meant for and between a Business Entity and a Landlord.

        Otherwise, you end up with an illegitimate and unfair lease agreement that permits the inadequate monthly payments of $141 a month for a parcel of land that is rich in oil equivalent to more than $6,200,000,000 (billion) A YEAR.

        re: “Both the British and the American did not recognize any sultan.”

        Wrong.

        In November 19, 1906, our U.S. Department of State expressed the following to the British Embassy in Washington, D.C regarding the Sultan of Sulu and his leased property of North Borneo (Sabah):

        “…the US Department of State stated that Sabah was not an Imperial possession of the British Crown, that the British North Borneo Company which had leased Sabah from the Sultan of Sulu, did not have a national status, and that the company did not have an administration with the standing of a government…”

        What our US government is emphasizing is that the British North Borneo company IS NOT the British Government, so why is the British Government trying to steal North Borneo (Sabah) from the Sultan of Sulu through a mere company?

        While it is naturally expected for the British to no longer recognize the Sultan of Sulu in order to STEAL North Borneo (Sabah) AnakSabah.

        Just give up AnakSabah, you obviously still have a whole lot to learn evident from all your misinterpreted and ignorant understanding of history.

      • AnakSabah

        -“The British Crown and/or Malaysia is supposed to negotiate new terms upon establishing a new agreement between different parties to negotiate a legitimate lease agreement. Instead, the State of Great Britain and Malaysia stepped in place of the British North Borneo Company fraudulently for an agreement originally and only meant for and between a Business Entity and a Landlord.”

        At the material time frame as the events unfolded per the above situation as you described, “Malaysia” did not exist yet. It is awkward to expect “Malaysia” to negotiate new lease when it did not even exist.

        It was the prerogative of the British Crown then whether she wanted to negotiate new business terms with the Landlord or not as the original “leasehold” was for a period of infinity “as long as there are sun and moon”. To the British, there was no point to negotiate new lease as “the moon and the sun” were still there. They might as well stick to what had been agreed between BNBC and the past Sultan.

        However, the new owner (the British Crown) had in fact stopped the payments to the “Landlord”. The reason was that the “Landlord” ceased to exist after it was abolished following the death of the last “Landlord”. It was abolished not by the British or Malaysian, but none other the most powerful imperial and colonial master of the Philippines at that time, the US Government. How on earth, the British wanted to make payment if there was no one there to receive it. What was so difficult for US Administration to accept such payment on behalf of the Philippines, if the Sultanate was now defunct? The American could not accept it because Sabah was not part of the Philippines according to Madrid Accord.

        However, after all the dust settled, the British left Malaysia (now it was called Malaysia), the heirs to the Sultanate (the new “Landlord”, so to speak) emerged to submit their monetary claims. Malaysia obliged because it was a legal court decision. At that time, the heirs were happy to receive the money, business as usual, if you will, as the issue of fair compensation was decided by the Court. If the heirs are not happy today, please re-submit your claims and stated your case in court. You and your team can advise the heirs on how to proceed with this “rental” claim.

        But, now, you want to go beyond the “rental” claim. You want to claim the sovereign and territorial right over Sabah. Kiram wants to do that by firing his first salvo in Lahad Dato. It is very illegal to carry such weapons in Malaysian soil. If he is extradited to Malaysia, he is in a very very serious trouble. He will face severe capital punishment, upon conviction, where no one, not even the UN can save him, let alone the Philippine Govt or the US Govt. for that matter. However, there is only one person on this earth that can save him from our capital punishment, if convicted; that is our King!

        So, if there is anyone out there who is still questioning the legitimacy of Malaysia as a sovereign nation…just anyone…please convince Kiram to come to Malaysia to face our justice system. It is that simple and all argument ends there and then. Alternatively, ICJ, UN, OIC can be very useful tools too.

        -“n November 19, 1906, our U.S. Department of State expressed the
        following to the British Embassy in Washington, D.C regarding the Sultan
        of Sulu and his leased property of North Borneo (Sabah)…”

        That concern was not translated into a Veto power of the US at the UNSC and the UN. So, it remains as a good historical document for future generation if it has any political signicance at all.

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “Malaysia” did not exist yet. It is awkward to expect “Malaysia” to negotiate new lease when it did not even exist.”

        Malaysia is expected to negotiate a new lease upon accepting and taking on the illegitimate lease agreement on it’s day of creation in 1963.

        Does the 1878 lease agreement say that it was made between Malaysia and the Sultan of Sulu? No

        Does the 1878 lease agreement say that it was made between the British Government and the Sultan of Sulu? No

        Does the 1878 lease agreement say that it was only made between a British Company and the Sultan of Sulu? YES

        So why are you Malaysian lying-thieves hijacking an 1878 lease agreement that doesn’t even mention or include you and Malaysia in the agreement AnakSabah?

        re: “How on earth, the British wanted to make payment if there was no one there to receive it.”

        Thank you for admitting that the payments had actually ceased which constitutes as an official termination of the 1878 agreement AnakSabah.

        That’s how business agreements work. If either party cannot fulfill their promise to uphold the business agreement, the agreement is therefore terminated.

        Even if you played the scenario vice versa where our United States military invaded North Borneo (Sabah) and conquered it as our new US territory, the 1878 agreement would have been terminated because now the Sultan of Sulu does not have any land to lease to you which means the party paying the annual lease agreement is also no longer obligated to make payments due to a breach in the agreement. is this understood AnakSabah?

        Or are you still having issues understanding how business agreements work?

        Take for example, you rented an apartment from a landlord. Then you realize that the landlord you made an agreement with had passed away. This means, you either need to prepare to move out of the rental property or negotiate a new rental agreement with the new owners. It doesn’t mean you can move out and allow your cousins to move in without the authority of the new landlords AnakSabah.

        Either way, the British or Malaysia HAS TO establish a new rental agreement.

        Why? Because the British government and the Malaysian government IS NOT the same as the British Company that was mentioned in the 1878 Lease Agreement. Is that understood AnakSabah?

        You can make as many arguments to support evasion of establishing a proper and legitimate lease Agreement all you want, but the FACT IS, you’re simply operating on unethical and immoral grounds AnakSabah.

        Hence, the cause and the start of Malaysia’s North Borneo (Sabah) War Zone.

      • PurpleDaisy13

        re: “the original “leasehold” was for a period of infinity “as long as there are sun and moon”.”

        I’m sorry AnakSabah, but the expiration for any lease is separate from the contract agreement. Don’t you know that?

        So even if a contract agreement only specifies a duration of one year, or 5 years or towards perpetuity and infinity, it DOES NOT MEAN that the contract itself cannot be terminated.

        When you sign an agreement for a 2-yr contract to buy a new smartphone with a mobile network, does that mean the contract agreement cannot be terminated before 2 years because you want to terminate it and buy a new phone with another mobile network? No, you can terminate the contract in favor of buying the other phone and paying termination fees.

        When you sign a lease agreement to lease a rental property for a 2-year lease, does that mean the contract agreement cannot be terminated before 1 year due to a breach of contract? No, the contract can end before the lease ends due to original agreement rules not being followed.

        This is the same with the 1878 agreement whereby the agreement does not specify an expiration date. As long as the contract is violated and breached, the contract agreement can be terminated anytime.

        Thus, ceasing payments or if the renter wishing no longer to hold the property are all justified reasons that constitute as an official termination of the 1878 lease agreement between the British Company and the Sultan of Sulu. Is this understood AnakSabah?

        Have you ever created a Rental Agreement for tenants to rent your rental property for 2 years but had to terminate the agreement in just 1 year because they didn’t follow the contract rules?

        Same applies here AnakSabah….while the duration for the example I’ve just mentioned was for 2 years, it terminated in just 1 year. And while the duration of the 1878 agreement was not specified, it terminated after 58 years.

        So don’t use the “Perpetuity” or the “Infinity” excuse anymore unless you want to further expose your ignorance regarding Laws and Contract Agreements AnakSabah.

      • Sebastian Archer

        Dont waste your breath on this girl Daisy…no point reasoning to a dead wood.

  • misuari playboy

    UN referendum for independence to mindanao and sulu

  • $18209031

    The time is now for the world to know what the Malayo thieves had done to Sabah after 40 yrs. If the RCC is sincere to fellow Muslim brothers, it should let the Vatican call on the Malayo Govt to give up Sabah back to the SUltanate of Sulu. For it is the aspirations of both christians and Muslims to live in peace in Mindanao. The annexation of Sabah was the start of all the troubles.

    • headhunter

      Pls don’t drag the Pope into politics and end up as your mouth piece.

  • John John

    What influence can the Vatican possibly have over Malaysia? It’s a Muslim-majority country with no ties whatsoever with the Vatican.Only about 9-10% of the population is Christian & even that,not all are Roman Catholic.

    Now Muslims will start to question the motives of CBCP helping Jamalul Kiram.

    • AnakSabah

      - Malaysia has a diplomatic relation with the Vatican as we recognized it as a state.

      – Kiram Sultanate is not recognized by the Philippines Constitution, or any group in Mindanao/Sulu regions. It is not recognized internationally.
      – CBCP can help anyone. But, the Vatican has so much more pressing global issues on her hands that threaten the very institution itself like child abuses, gay priests etc which are more religious in nature. Sabah claim is a private, family matter.

  • Hey_Dudes

    I don’t quite understand Kiram wanting to see the head of a catholic church? I thought Muslims only recognize Allah and the Koran and meeting someone else outside of these two recognized Muslim strict dictum just does not make any sense. Furthermore, Kiram claims he owns the island of Sabah. So why should an owner of an island need to meet with someone having nothing to do with his property?

  • misuari playboy

    O’ moros and tausogs, the philippines colonialism is in front of your eyes. call a referendum and vote for independence from the philippines rule. vote for mindanao and sulu to be free from philippines colonialism.

  • AnakSabah

    - Kiram can go to CBCP and the Vatican. He gave reason that 25% of Sabah is Christian. He assumes that all the Christian in Sabah wants him to be their Sultan. I guess he was right again that all the natives of Sabah who are largely Christian is dying for his undivided love to be their sultan.

    – Kiram wants the Vatican to put pressure on the Philippines Govt, which he sees as largely Catholics to support in his claim of Sabah. It make sense to him Christians in the Philippines and in Sabah will joined hand in hand to support him. Why not?
    – Sabah had an elections before the formation of Malaysia and many more after that. All the parties that won so far are for Malaysia.
    – There are grouses and unhappiness and some contemplating to take Sabah out of Malaysia. So far, they all failed miserably in the election process.
    – Kiram, this is how Sabah is managed; by ballot paper. Your way of claiming your territory in Sabah, is against your own religion (whatever that it may be) as well as the Christian way of life. That style of violence belong to your ancient family way of doing thing.
    – Your claim is a private matter involving some clans and tribes of your own kind. So, it shall remain as a claim. Just a claim.

    – Unfortunately, even the claim is disputed by Brunei who insisted they never gave your ancestor an inch of their territory as they had no record of it such as a legal document or royal hand over ceremony and so forth. Early Chinese had no record of it either.

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